RIAA, TUBES and Seduction

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Offline Dobs

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on: June 06, 2011, 04:35:13 PM
I want to get information on how to adjust (i mean by adjust, how to calculate value) the RIAA network in the Seduction phono to match tubes sp
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Offline Paul Joppa

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Reply #1 on: June 06, 2011, 06:57:00 PM
The first resistor in the Seduction RIAA network is 66.5K. Call the output impedance of the first stage rp; then as long as the grid resistor of the second stage is equal to 66.5K + (66.5K*66.5K/rp), the network will work correctly. The grid resistor and rp have much less effect than the rest of the components.

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Reply #2 on: June 07, 2011, 01:08:33 PM
what "rp" mean

Plate (anode) load resistor?
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Reply #3 on: June 07, 2011, 04:27:25 PM
"Call the output impedance of the first stage rp;..."

The output impedance of the stock Seduction is about 4K; with the C4S upgrade it is about 5K. If you use a different tube or operating point or circuit, it will be different.


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Reply #4 on: June 07, 2011, 09:40:00 PM
ok, sorry my english is rather poor it's not my first language.

66.5K + (66.5K*66.5K/5K (CS4 installed)) = 950950 ohms, is this correct? This value come from the fact that 6922 tube grid resistance is 1M ohm and must be equal to it, still correct?

I didnt understand correctly for sure because i dont get how the 1M can simply switched to 500K (for exemple) to match 6N1P-EV 500K grid resistance without changing the 66.5K value to match the 500K.
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Reply #5 on: June 08, 2011, 06:16:48 PM
Ah! I see what you are asking about.

The 65N1P, at the Seduction operating point, has about 10.6K plate resistance. If you are using the C4S plate load then the output resistance of the first stage is the plate resistance. So 66.5K + (66.5K*66.5K/10.6K) is 484K ohms.

I chose to do the Seduction this way because the equations for the RIAA equalization are available, but usually based on zero source impedance (rp) and infinite load resistance (Rgrid). This way the network always has the standard values, even when you change tubes.

To analyze it (if you or anyone else wants to) look at the circuit and you will see that the 66.5K is in series with the source resistance rp, and the grid resistor goes from that point to ground. The imaginary souce itself has zero impedance to ground, plus the resistance rp, so the effective resistance is Rgrid in parallel with (rp+66.5K). With a little algebra, you can calculate Rgrid given rp - the result is what I posted.

This method makes the RIAA accuracy less dependent on an exact knowledge of rp, while still keeping the overall impedance of the network low so that it is less likely to pick up hum and noise from stray electrical fields or RF noises.

Paul Joppa