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Title: 6AQ5 glow test failure - socket B only [solved]
Post by: Loquah on July 09, 2022, 12:34:39 AM
I'm stumped!

I've reached the second glow test and the D socket tube glows happily, but the B socket tube doesn't.

I've tried:
Title: Re: 6AQ5 glow test failure - socket B only
Post by: kgoss on July 09, 2022, 03:36:37 AM
Post pictures and trace the voltage with your meter to find out where it stops.
Title: Re: 6AQ5 glow test failure - socket B only
Post by: Doc B. on July 09, 2022, 05:20:58 AM
The most likely possibilities are that a tube pin is not making contact in either B3 or B4, or that there is a miswire on that socket.
Title: Re: 6AQ5 glow test failure - socket B only
Post by: Loquah on July 09, 2022, 01:05:27 PM
The most likely possibilities are that a tube pin is not making contact in either B3 or B4, or that there is a miswire on that socket.

Thanks Dan! I think that's the issue given that the D socket works perfectly. Any tips for realigning the contacts in the tube socket?
Title: Re: 6AQ5 glow test failure - socket B only
Post by: Loquah on July 09, 2022, 01:09:18 PM
Just found some info about adjusting the sockets from the top with a jeweller's screwdriver. I'll try that, but welcome other tips
Title: Re: 6AQ5 glow test failure - socket B only
Post by: Loquah on July 09, 2022, 04:02:37 PM
I just had a close look at the tube socket in question and pins 3 & 4 look fine, but pin 7 shows no sign of any contacts inside the socket!

Does this look strange to you?

https://photos.app.goo.gl/gZ64mziWxVbXpSMdA
Title: Re: 6AQ5 glow test failure - socket B only
Post by: Thermioniclife on July 09, 2022, 06:36:16 PM
I do not believe pin 7 is used on a 6aq5.
Title: Re: 6AQ5 glow test failure - socket B only
Post by: Loquah on July 09, 2022, 06:37:56 PM
I do not believe pin 7 is used on a 6aq5.

That's possible, but I'm wondering if there's a deeper fault with the tube socket given that the contacts seem to be missing entirely and the tubes both work when transplanted to the D socket.
Title: Re: 6AQ5 glow test failure - socket B only
Post by: Doc B. on July 10, 2022, 04:02:14 AM
Yes that definitely looks odd. Does the pin 7 terminal protrude farther on the underside than the others? If it doesn't look like something that can be adjusted we can certainly send you a new tube socket and whatever you might need to replace that is connected to it.
Title: Re: 6AQ5 glow test failure - socket B only
Post by: Loquah on July 11, 2022, 04:22:16 PM
Yes that definitely looks odd. Does the pin 7 terminal protrude farther on the underside than the others? If it doesn't look like something that can be adjusted we can certainly send you a new tube socket and whatever you might need to replace that is connected to it.

On the bottom, the pins look fine, but they look misaligned. It's hard to describe, but when you look from the top at both 7-pin sockets, the orientation is identical (i.e. the angle of where the gap in the pins points is the same). When you look at the bottom of the chassis, the placement of the pins is slightly different between B & D sockets. I wonder if the moulding of the socket went wrong for the one in Socket B. I've ordered a set of new sockets from a local retailer for the sake of time and happened to go gold because that was the only option on the 7-pin sockets so I wanted them all to match.

I'll provide an update when I install the new sockets to confirm if the problem is resolved.
Title: Re: 6AQ5 glow test failure - socket B only
Post by: Doc B. on July 12, 2022, 05:29:38 AM
Shoot, sorry about that. I'll have a look at our socket stock and see if that was a one time thing or not.
Title: Re: 6AQ5 glow test failure - socket B only
Post by: Loquah on July 12, 2022, 03:31:43 PM
No problems at all. I've attached some pics of the tops and bottoms so you can see what I mean about them being perfectly aligned from the bottom, but different when you look at the top.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/FTweaXvvVgW2U4Ey6
Title: Re: 6AQ5 glow test failure - socket B only
Post by: Doc B. on July 12, 2022, 03:55:29 PM
Son of a gun. It looks like the top rotated one full pin hole relative to the bottom before it was put together. Not only do you have a hole with no terminal, you have a terminal with no hole. First time I have seen that in 30 years of doing this stuff.
Title: Re: 6AQ5 glow test failure - socket B only
Post by: Paul Birkeland on July 12, 2022, 04:48:11 PM
That is really strange to see, but I'm glad that the glow test caught this before you built the rest of the amp out!
Title: Re: 6AQ5 glow test failure - socket B only
Post by: Loquah on July 12, 2022, 08:08:38 PM
Son of a gun. It looks like the top rotated one full pin hole relative to the bottom before it was put together. Not only do you have a hole with no terminal, you have a terminal with no hole. First time I have seen that in 30 years of doing this stuff.

I guess I'm just special!  ;D

I agree, Paul. Having returned to building BH kits for the first time in a while, I'm a big fan of the regular checkpoint tests. Great addition!!
Title: Re: 6AQ5 glow test failure - socket B only
Post by: Loquah on July 17, 2022, 12:34:42 PM
Just checking in to confirm that the new sockets arrived and the build is back on track!

I have to say, building these kits was more fun back when I didn't have a 2-year-old child and could therefore devote more focussed building time in one sitting. (Which is not to say that having said 2-year-old isn't wonderful  :) )
Title: Re: 6AQ5 glow test failure - socket B only
Post by: Paul Birkeland on July 17, 2022, 01:25:18 PM
Wait till you have a five-year-old child, then you'll have to answer lots of questions about what you're doing!
Title: Re: 6AQ5 glow test failure - socket B only
Post by: 2wo on July 17, 2022, 05:15:58 PM
 Why?