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Title: Feedback on PC USB DAC's
Post by: fredrickj on April 02, 2014, 07:14:40 AM
My only source for my music is a laptop Pc (Windows).  I am looking for a really good DAC for under $300.  What are you all using if you're using a USB DAC?

thanks
Title: Re: Feedback on PC USB DAC's
Post by: Kris on April 02, 2014, 07:38:44 AM
I use ODAC and I'm quiet impressed with the little guy.
Title: Re: Feedback on PC USB DAC's
Post by: mcandmar on April 02, 2014, 08:25:50 AM
The ODAC is very hard to beat for the money, it really is a bargain.  The Firefly is also highly rated, and costs roughly the same.  You could actually buy both for $300.
Title: Re: Feedback on PC USB DAC's
Post by: kgoss on April 02, 2014, 11:19:07 AM
I'm using a Musical Fidelity V-DAC while I wait on the Bottlehead DAC.  The  V-DAC is good but I'm sure the BH DAC will be much better. Much more expensive too.
Title: Re: Feedback on PC USB DAC's
Post by: Alonzo on April 02, 2014, 11:56:42 AM
Schitt Modi great sound and price.
Title: Re: Feedback on PC USB DAC's
Post by: fredrickj on April 08, 2014, 03:11:46 PM
I'm currently vacillating between the Schiit Modi and Bifrost.  Any one using the Bifrost?
Title: Re: Feedback on PC USB DAC's
Post by: mcandmar on April 08, 2014, 03:33:34 PM
The ODAC is a better DAC than the Modi so i would skip that one, the Bifrost is highly spoken of but considerably more expensive by the time you add USB and and the upgraded IV stage.  For that kind of budget i would be waiting to see what the Bottlehead offering is going to cost.
Title: Re: Feedback on PC USB DAC's
Post by: fredrickj on April 08, 2014, 05:22:25 PM
Any idea when BH will come out with their DAC?
Title: Re: Feedback on PC USB DAC's
Post by: jboehle on April 08, 2014, 06:06:54 PM
I haven't heard the ODAC but I am enjoying the pupDAC I built.

http://www.diyforums.org/PupDAC/PupDACoverview.php
Title: Re: Feedback on PC USB DAC's
Post by: mcandmar on April 08, 2014, 06:12:15 PM
Funny you should mention the pupdac kit, there is one in the mail on its way to me, going to use it with my portable setup for work :)
Title: Re: Feedback on PC USB DAC's
Post by: mcandmar on April 14, 2014, 03:19:57 PM
Finished building my PupDAC this evening and i am deeply impressed with it.  vs the ODAC it seems more refined, especially top end. Where the ODAC can sometimes sound flat and lifeless dynamically this little Pup has a deeper set of lungs.

Downside, for $120 is roughly the same cost as an ODAC, and its USB interface is limited to 16bit only.  I suspect it may not measure as well as the ODAC in THD and other measurements but it sounds better to me.  Really wasn't expecting that as i bought it to trow in my laptop bag and use in work. Now it might actually stay hooked upto the S.E.X. amp until the Botthehead DAC comes out.

Worth pointing out, if a Crack / S.E.X. amp is a 5/10 in difficulty, this is a 20.  SMD components are no fun at all to work with.
Title: Re: Feedback on PC USB DAC's
Post by: jboehle on April 14, 2014, 07:26:26 PM
Yeah, particularly the chips, those were a real pain in my ass.  Luckily I did not rush things.  I did the chips and then went to bed, checked them again with a magnifying glass in the morning sun and found a couple of bridges my tired eyes did not see the night before.  Just like any DIY, go slow, take your time, double & triple check connections, it will turn out okay :)
Title: Re: Feedback on PC USB DAC's
Post by: hardisondan on July 01, 2014, 07:43:00 PM
Finished building my PupDAC this evening and i am deeply impressed with it.  vs the ODAC it seems more refined, especially top end. Where the ODAC can sometimes sound flat and lifeless dynamically this little Pup has a deeper set of lungs.

Downside, for $120 is roughly the same cost as an ODAC, and its USB interface is limited to 16bit only.  I suspect it may not measure as well as the ODAC in THD and other measurements but it sounds better to me.  Really wasn't expecting that as i bought it to trow in my laptop bag and use in work. Now it might actually stay hooked upto the S.E.X. amp until the Botthehead DAC comes out.

Worth pointing out, if a Crack / S.E.X. amp is a 5/10 in difficulty, this is a 20.  SMD components are no fun at all to work with.

Is there a Bottlehead DAC coming out? Please say yes.
Title: Re: Feedback on PC USB DAC's
Post by: hardisondan on July 01, 2014, 07:58:33 PM
Sorry, my first ever post and I ask a dumb question!

2 seconds after I pressed post I saw the thread on the kickstarter DAC project.

Dan
Title: Re: Feedback on PC USB DAC's
Post by: mcandmar on July 02, 2014, 02:57:06 AM
Welcome.  There is a Bottlehead DAC in the works but it will be in the four digit price range so not really comparable to the above.

I made the comment above that i suspected the PupDAC wouldn't measure as well as the ODAC.  Since then i have played with RMAA and made a few measurements and found the opposite to be true.
Title: Re: Feedback on PC USB DAC's
Post by: xcoolhandx on July 02, 2014, 05:04:42 AM
I recently switched from Schiit Modi to Nuforce Icon HDP (you can find one on ebay below $300) and it pairs with Crack very nicely
192kHz/24-bit via toslink

P.S. I have Modi for sale if you interested (only used it for about 3 days )
Title: Re: Feedback on PC USB DAC's
Post by: Atraf on July 02, 2014, 06:27:44 AM
I am currently at the same place as you do, 300$ budget for DAC, the bifrost is what I wish for but with all its upgrades it reaches 520$ its way over 300$, someone recommended me Musical Fidelity v90 dac but i can't seem to find much reviews on it and I heard musical fidelity is not what it used to be since they moved they production to Vietnam.

Anyway I am starting to play with the idea of buying a portable dac/amp with an emphasize on the dac this way I can get a portable combo for my IEM or any other low impedance HP and a dac for home,  it might be a good idea to save some money..
There are quite a few options , audio quest ff, meridian explorer, but I think HRT mircostreamer is the best considering connectivity to mobile devices and sound wise up to 300$

About the ODAC, I heard a lot of recommendations though its sound to some as flat and very analytically, this is why I am afraid of it, I don't want something to flaten my bass but actually emphasize it ...
Title: Re: Feedback on PC USB DAC's
Post by: Snarii on July 02, 2014, 06:56:07 AM
I'm the proud & happy owner of an iFi iDSD nano. For less than $200, it plays anything, PCM, DXD, DSD up to 6.2MHz. With its battery, it's portable with my iPhone (Onkyo HF Player) for low impedance headphones, and it pairs beautyfully with the crack and the mac (Audirvana). Absolutely no regret since the new firmware enabled USB3.0 controllers (all latests machines).
A review in french http://www.qobuz.com/fr-fr/info/Hi-Fi-Guide/Bancs-d-essai/iFi-Audio-iDSD-Nano-Qobuzissime175549 (http://www.qobuz.com/fr-fr/info/Hi-Fi-Guide/Bancs-d-essai/iFi-Audio-iDSD-Nano-Qobuzissime175549)
Title: Re: Feedback on PC USB DAC's
Post by: John EH on July 03, 2014, 10:37:58 AM
I'm king of the cheap DAC's.  I have

HiFiMeDIY Sabre USB Dac
Nuforce UDAC2
Nuforce UDAC2SE
ODAC
Schiit Modi
Fiio E17
Fiio E07K

Probably leaving something else out.  All are pretty great.  Right now I'm loving Schiit Modi and Fiio E17
Title: Re: Feedback on PC USB DAC's
Post by: hardisondan on July 15, 2014, 03:59:51 PM
I'm the proud & happy owner of an iFi iDSD nano. For less than $200, it plays anything, PCM, DXD, DSD up to 6.2MHz. With its battery, it's portable with my iPhone (Onkyo HF Player) for low impedance headphones, and it pairs beautyfully with the crack and the mac (Audirvana). Absolutely no regret since the new firmware enabled USB3.0 controllers (all latests machines).
A review in french http://www.qobuz.com/fr-fr/info/Hi-Fi-Guide/Bancs-d-essai/iFi-Audio-iDSD-Nano-Qobuzissime175549 (http://www.qobuz.com/fr-fr/info/Hi-Fi-Guide/Bancs-d-essai/iFi-Audio-iDSD-Nano-Qobuzissime175549)

I am thinking of getting one of those. I am curious, does it perform well as a DAC for non hi-res audio? 99% of my music collection is not DSD/hi-res, i.e. it's just ripped CD's (lossless APE), but I'd like to have the option of getting into more DSD in the future. Why would I buy the standard iDAC if the iDSD does the same job and more?
Dan
Title: Re: Feedback on PC USB DAC's
Post by: Snarii on July 17, 2014, 02:31:53 AM
Hi Dan
I've ripped most of my CD collection into flac, and yes the nano treats them like anything else with higher bandwidth.
Attached file : grab of audirvana

I am thinking of getting one of those. I am curious, does it perform well as a DAC for non hi-res audio? 99% of my music collection is not DSD/hi-res, i.e. it's just ripped CD's (lossless APE), but I'd like to have the option of getting into more DSD in the future. Why would I buy the standard iDAC if the iDSD does the same job and more?
Dan

Title: Re: Feedback on PC USB DAC's
Post by: i luvmusic 2 on July 20, 2014, 01:42:11 AM
IMO for $300 you can get a better DAC like the TEAC-UD-H01(MSRP $500-650) it's discotinued but you can still find them brandnew for $250-300.
Title: Re: Feedback on PC USB DAC's
Post by: hardisondan on July 20, 2014, 02:47:27 PM
IMO for $300 you can get a better DAC like the TEAC-UD-H01(MSRP $500-650) it's discotinued but you can still find them brandnew for $250-300.

I haven't heard either, but what seems appealing about the ifi iDSD is that it seems to be getting rave reviews and it plays DSD files. There are not many DACs on the market that play DSD in that price range.
And something that bugs me (I don't know why) is that you don't seem to be able to get a USB DAC that  doesn't include a headphone amp. When you already have a great headphone amp (like I hope to soon when I get my Crack working ;-) I'd rather my DAC budget went to making a better DAC... know what I mean?
Title: Re: Feedback on PC USB DAC's
Post by: Atraf on July 23, 2014, 04:29:09 PM
I'm the proud & happy owner of an iFi iDSD nano. For less than $200, it plays anything, PCM, DXD, DSD up to 6.2MHz. With its battery, it's portable with my iPhone (Onkyo HF Player) for low impedance headphones, and it pairs beautyfully with the crack and the mac (Audirvana). Absolutely no regret since the new firmware enabled USB3.0 controllers (all latests machines).
A review in french http://www.qobuz.com/fr-fr/info/Hi-Fi-Guide/Bancs-d-essai/iFi-Audio-iDSD-Nano-Qobuzissime175549 (http://www.qobuz.com/fr-fr/info/Hi-Fi-Guide/Bancs-d-essai/iFi-Audio-iDSD-Nano-Qobuzissime175549)


Have your tried your Nano with the hd650 ? is it able to drive 300 Ohms headphones as well as 40 Ohm IEM's?
Title: Re: Feedback on PC USB DAC's
Post by: Snarii on July 23, 2014, 10:00:56 PM
Have your tried your Nano with the hd650 ? is it able to drive 300 Ohms headphones as well as 40 Ohm IEM's?

Oh yes, it works with the HD650 but considering the 300ohm impedance, the nano amp will obviously not go as far as the Crack : the bandwidth is reduced, the 650 remains veiled. But to be honest, I need to tell that my Crack is now far from stock and its modifications and tube choices widely enhance the HD650 response. For other lower impedances, I have not quality headphone to tell, but reviews seem to consider the nano amp as excellent.
Title: Re: Feedback on PC USB DAC's
Post by: Atraf on July 23, 2014, 11:51:57 PM
Thanks for your reply, I am considering the Nano but I don't know what to do,
if I take the nano it will be 90% stationary dac with the crack and 10% portable with IEM, I hope its not a waste of money to buy something that is an all a rounder (portable/dac/amp) instead of just dac for my budget (300$) .. o_0
Title: Re: Feedback on PC USB DAC's
Post by: Snarii on July 24, 2014, 05:29:41 AM
Thanks for your reply, I am considering the Nano but I don't know what to do,
if I take the nano it will be 90% stationary dac with the crack and 10% portable with IEM, I hope its not a waste of money to buy something that is an all a rounder (portable/dac/amp) instead of just dac for my budget (300$) .. o_0

Another advantage of being mobile is the autonomous power (when powered before plugging it) bypassing the USB external power and its possible pollution. And its price remains less than 2/3 of your budget.