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Bottlehead Kits => S.E.X. Kit => Topic started by: pofofo on October 18, 2020, 09:10:30 AM
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Hi,
The last days my SEX have had some intermittent distortion.
It comes and goes in both channels, not necessarily at the same time, it kind of wanders. Ive heard it to nights in a row now and it starts maybe after an hour or so. It sounds kinda like electronic tapping and a vinyl like sound. When the distortion accured, I plugged out my DAC and it continued. I also powered off my monitor, phone charger and active studio monitors to no avail. It can last from a few seconds up to 20-30s
Ive used it daily for hours since early august without any problems. I did do the mod described here: https://forum.bottlehead.com/index.php?topic=11676.0 to avoid USB noise with lower impedance headphones. And it has been working fine since I did it a couple of weeks ago.
Any idea what this could be?
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I'm a little confused, you say you have intermittent distortion, but then you describe hearing noises through your SEX amp.
Is there noticeable distortion when playing back music?
If you just have some random noises, the most likely cause would be an intermittent connection that got jostled when you added the diode modification, and you would need to go back through your build and reheat all the solder joints as a precautionary measure.
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My english isnt very good, Im from Norway, so it a bit difficult to explain.
I described the distortion as intermittent since it comes and goes.
The distortion comes from the amp, I reckon. Most of the time theres no distortion at all, either playing back music or pausing it. But once in a while theres distortion as I described, and the distortion is at the same volume no matter how the volume knob is set.
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Is it a noise that you hear or does the amp just make noises on its own? Either way I would reheat all of the solder joints in the amp, that often fixes problems like this.
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I hear the noise through my headphones and its in both channels and kind of wanders.
Ill reheat the joints and hope for it to go away, thanks Paul.
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Im finally back to to working this problem after awhile.
I did a resistance check and got the following:
1 0
2 *
3 888
4 250k
5 0
6 *
7 *
8 0
9 0
10 *
11 677
12 0
13 *
14 0
15 0
16 *
17 887
18 249k
19 0
20 *
21 *
22 0
23 0
24 *
25 674
26 0
27 *
30 *
31 *
32 *
33 *
34 *
35 *
36 0
H1 0
H2 108.8
H3 308
H4 108.7
H5 108.8
H6 *
H7 108.7
H8 0
GROUND TAB 0
I do not trust my cheap multimeter, but the measurements at H2, H3, H4 and H5 are worrying.
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Your resistance readings at H2, H3, H4, and H5 are not concerning. With the big 10,000uF cap being involved, sometimes those resistances can't be resolved by some meters.
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Aha, thanks for the reply. I guess voltage checks are next.
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I did the voltage checks:
2 73v
3 17v
4 0v
5 0v
6 370v
7 390v
10 367v
16 77v
17 18v
18 0v
19 0v
20 369v
21 389v
24 364v
H2 3.1v
H5 3.1v
H4 2.9v
H7 2.9v
They look good too and I`ve reheated/resoldered every joint twice.
I know the lead free solder I got is probably not the best. But the amp worked fine for months before it more or less suddenly started with this.
I had the C4S mod, which I later removed and I had the ground diode mod, which I later removed. None of these mod had anything to do with the distortion I´m hearing.
The distortion is through the headphones and floats between left & right. It comes and goes and lasts about 5-30 sec. It sounds like popping and electronic noise, a bit like dust on a vinyl maybe and its pretty low volume.
The sound is there even when there is no source connected.
Got any more ideas?
Grateful for the help.
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Oh lead free solder sucks!
Try the amp in a different location (building) to see if you're picking up interference from something. You could just be picking up noise from a wireless device that's close by.
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Darn straight!
Since the problem started, I have moved and it followed, so I don´t think it´s interference.
But I do and did have a wireless modem just a couple of feet nearby. And I´ve been using my phone as a source, streaming through wifi.
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So one thing that comes to mind here is that distortion and noise are two completely separate problems, and it would help to separate them.
When you say you have periodic distortion, what that would mean is that when you are playing music through your amp, it doesn't sound like it should. The amp would otherwise be perfectly quiet though.
Noise is something that doesn't belong that's there with or without the music.
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I guess you are right about that. Since it has nothing to do with the source or music, then its noise.
I know the tubes are rarely the problem, but could that be it?
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If it's in both channels, it is very, very, very likely a source of noise external to the amp.
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The noise, when its there, is kind of panning between the channels and it is still there with the volume down and with source disconnected. So I really think it´s from the amp itself.
Sometimes it´s just on the left channel and sometimes it is panning between L & R.
I had the same problem before I moved to a new apartment and before and after I changed all the electrical wiring while renovating the new place.
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Try putting your phone on airplane mode to see if that takes the noise out, or make a recording and post it here.
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Good idea. I´ve been trying to record it, but it comes and goes pretty fast and sometimes not at all, so it´s a bit hard.
Yesterday while using another amp, my phone got unplugged and I plugged it back in without lowering the amps volume or removing the headphones from my head: That actually made a similar sound to the noise in the S.E.X, but a bit lower in volume. So the noise is kind of similar to that crackling you get when you plug in or out the jack from a live amp. And earlier I´ve had some imbalance issues with speakers which I traced to the jack plug not "closing" proper to send signals to the speaker post.
I guess I should resolder the wires to the jack once again and maybe clean it out. Or maybe just change it out?
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Can you post some photos of the HP jack? Typically either the wires are loose and not well connected or they are fine, but if you apply too much heat to that jack it will deform and stop working properly.
With the phone, it's not that the noise is traveling through wires into your amp, but through the air.
I still do believe you are picking up some wireless interference.
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Here, hope this covers it.
I read some in the crack part of the forum about crackling and popping and I guess I should try another resolder. Better get som lead solder first.
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Yeah, I would get some 60/40 solder. When I get repairs in that have been built with lead free solder, I will go through the build and add a little leaded solder to every single joint before I even start debugging what's going on.
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Thanks for the info. I ordered some leaded solder and will reflow.
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Yup, you were correct. Its the 4G mobile internet thats causing it. Thank you for your help and patience.
Now, is there anything I can do to avoid the problem (other than not using my phone that is)?
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Distance should help a whole lot, but some phones are just really noisy. It's possible that some aluminum foil wrapped around the tubes and touching the chassis might help.
If you use airplane mode and have a wifi connection, that should resolve the issue and leave your phone fully functional too.
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With the phone hooked up to the amplifier, I heard the noise while turning on/off airplane mode.
Then I had the airplane mode off and turned off/on: wifi, bluetooth and 4G separate the noise did not appear (I was trying to pinpoint exactly what was making the noise). The noise only appeared when I turned airplane mode off/on.
With my laptop hooked up (and streaming via wifi) there where no noise, so it seems the phone needs to be hooked up to the amp for the noise to be heard.
I don´t know if it matters, but my phone is a Samsung s10e from 2019.