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Bottlehead Kits => Legacy Kit Products => Paramount => Topic started by: denti alligator on May 26, 2012, 01:01:31 PM

Title: Volume?
Post by: denti alligator on May 26, 2012, 01:01:31 PM
This may be a dumb question, but how to you keep the volume pot on each of the blocks at the same level? Eyeball it?
Title: Re: Volume?
Post by: Jim R. on May 26, 2012, 01:38:38 PM
Sam,

The pots you see on the paramounts are hum balance pots, not volume controls.  That said, I did borrow a local guy's (paswen) paramounts which had volume controls on them and they were fairly easy to get balanced, though I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want to use them like that forever.  Stepped attenuators, maybe, but not normal pots.

HTH,

Jim
Title: Re: Volume?
Post by: Paul Joppa on May 26, 2012, 06:14:14 PM
For what it's worth I wanted to put volume pots on the Paramounts. Doc B vetoed it - thought it would cause more problems than it solved. Since (believe it or not!) he lives closer to the real world than I do, I didn't argue.  :^)  He's usually right on these things.
Title: Re: Volume?
Post by: Paul Birkeland on May 26, 2012, 07:04:42 PM
For what it's worth I wanted to put volume pots on the Paramounts.

I'll second that  ;D

Title: Re: Volume?
Post by: denti alligator on May 27, 2012, 02:17:46 AM
So one has to use the amps with a preamplifier like the Foreplay?

How do the hum pots work?
Title: Re: Volume?
Post by: mchurch on May 27, 2012, 06:06:23 AM
There are others more expert than me who can explain the hum balance circuit but for the first part of the question, yes the amps need a preamp or other source with a volume control. For example some CD players have output volume control and can be connected directly to an amp. I currently output my RTR to an amp directly using the output volume control from the RTR to control the output levels.  If you connect anything to an amp without volume control you will get full output of the amp into the speakers and depending on the amp you can say good-bye to the speakers and/or your eardrums.

Cheers;

Mike
Title: Re: Volume?
Post by: coca on May 27, 2012, 07:08:21 AM
You could also consider a passive control with any number of inputs.

Bernie.
Title: Re: Volume?
Post by: Grainger49 on May 27, 2012, 09:59:54 AM
The purist in me says that on top of the line power amps a volume control doesn't belong there.  But I have a remote volume control (old and lazy) between my FP 2 and Paramours.  It is the same thing.  I'm conflicted.

The Hum Balance pot is easy to adjust.  Short the inputs, put your meter leads on the speaker lugs, meter set on AC.  I think there is a hole in the speaker binding post so you can put the leads through the holes and tighten the plastic part down on them finger snug.  

Turn on the amp and let it warm up for 5 minutes.  Adjust the Hum/Balance pot till you get the lowest AC voltage, that voltage is hum from the heater.  You will find that a light torque on the screwdriver will give a small change although you wouldn't expect a change.  These pots are "tweaky."  

I got my Paramours to 1mV and 4mV of hum on the output.  

EVERY TIME you change a tube, driver or output, you will need to make this adjustment.
Title: Re: Volume?
Post by: xcortes on May 27, 2012, 05:06:18 PM
I have volume pots on my Paramounts since I use three amps pair channel and I need to adjust volumes for each one. But I onlydo it once and I measure resistance to make sure I get the same for each driver on both channels.
Title: Re: Volume?
Post by: denti alligator on May 28, 2012, 02:59:40 PM
So what do people use with their Paramounts to control volume? What options are there?
Title: Re: Volume?
Post by: InfernoSTi on May 28, 2012, 03:48:53 PM
I removed the volume from my Stereomour and put a Warpspeed Optocoupler in its place...I use a stand alone box that is battery powered.  Really opened things up a lot...wouldn't go back to volume pots if I could help it. 

Best,
John
Title: Re: Volume?
Post by: Grainger49 on May 29, 2012, 02:01:43 AM
I would expect that Paramounts are most often used with an active preamp in front of them. 

If you are asking for suggestions for a volume pot to purchase there are a lot to choose from starting at ~$3 and up.
Title: Re: Volume?
Post by: denti alligator on May 29, 2012, 07:26:14 AM
What preamps? The Foreplay, I imagine, isn't ideal.
Title: Re: Volume?
Post by: Doc B. on May 29, 2012, 08:29:02 AM
We will be releasing a 300B preamp intended to work particularly well with Paramount. Should be out this summer. It will of course cost a bit more than the Foreplay III.
Title: Re: Volume?
Post by: denti alligator on May 29, 2012, 09:52:53 AM
Cool. What other info can you divulge on it? Will it also have three inputs? Will it work well with the old SEX, too?
Title: Re: Volume?
Post by: Oberst Oswald on May 29, 2012, 10:03:40 AM
What preamps? The Foreplay, I imagine, isn't ideal.


Why isn't the Foreplay ideal?
Title: Re: Volume?
Post by: mchurch on May 29, 2012, 10:19:56 AM
What preamps? The Foreplay, I imagine, isn't ideal.


In my opinion the Foreplay is a perfect match for the Paramount. I have been running this way since last year and I love every  minute of it.


Mike
Title: Re: Volume?
Post by: denti alligator on May 29, 2012, 12:42:50 PM
I just figured the volume pot on the FP wouldn't work well since it only has a set number of steps, doesn't it?
Title: Re: Volume?
Post by: Gerry E. on May 29, 2012, 01:17:42 PM
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Hi:

I use the Eva 2 LDR attenuator with my Paramount 300Bs.  It's the small box on top of my digital player in the photo above.  Previously, I used a tube preamp (deHavilland Ultra-Verve) and autoformer volume control (Slagle autoformers).  The little Eva is the transparency champ.  Plus it has remote volume control.

At a little over $400 shipped to the USA, the Eva is one of the best values in all of audio.  Having written that, I'm very interested in the new BH 300B preamp that's currently being developed.  It takes some balls to come out with a 300B preamp due to noise issues, etc.  Apparently Doc and PJ think it's worthwhile.

Gerry