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Title: Has anyone bypassed metalized film output caps with PIO in their Crack?
Post by: Downhome Upstate on September 07, 2013, 02:20:17 PM
Just finished assembling my Crack this morning. Had my first long listening session with Beyer DT880/600's and Senn HD600's. No surprises there - two very different presentations and both great combinations.

I used Dayton 100 uf mkp output caps in the build. As I was rifling through a parts cabinet, I came across a pair of Sprague Vitamin Q 1 uf caps. Hmmm. What do you think about those for bypasses?
Title: Re: Has anyone bypassed metalized film output caps with PIO in their Crack?
Post by: STURMJ on September 07, 2013, 02:34:37 PM
Only one way to find out!!
Try test leads first, that way you can try them w/o taking anything apart.
Title: Re: Has anyone bypassed metalized film output caps with PIO in their Crack?
Post by: Paul Birkeland on September 07, 2013, 03:32:12 PM
The first Crack that I was commissioned (ca. 2003) to build had 0.1uF film and foil bypass caps on the metalized poly caps at the output.

I do not recall anything earth shattering about doing this, but the customer thought it was pretty cool!

-PB
Title: Re: Has anyone bypassed metalized film output caps with PIO in their Crack?
Post by: Downhome Upstate on September 07, 2013, 04:48:37 PM
The first Crack that I was commissioned (ca. 2003) to build had 0.1uF film and foil bypass caps on the metalized poly caps at the output.

I do not recall anything earth shattering about doing this, but the customer thought it was pretty cool!

-PB

Damn fine design and implementation, Paul. Thank you!
Title: Re: Has anyone bypassed metalized film output caps with PIO in their Crack?
Post by: earwaxxer on September 07, 2013, 04:51:44 PM
yep - try it --- Thats the only way to know...
Title: Re: Has anyone bypassed metalized film output caps with PIO in their Crack?
Post by: Grainger49 on September 08, 2013, 06:18:33 AM
Mike,

They are saying, you have the caps, if you don't have jumpers go to Radio Shack and buy some and try it.

Nothing will convince you till you hear it.
Title: Re: Has anyone bypassed metalized film output caps with PIO in their Crack?
Post by: Downhome Upstate on September 08, 2013, 02:40:42 PM
Yup. Got it.
Title: Re: Has anyone bypassed metalized film output caps with PIO in their Crack?
Post by: Downhome Upstate on September 08, 2013, 02:58:25 PM
I may be hallucinating, but I believe I hear fuller and richer tone to Charlie Haden's bass and Keith Jarrett's piano on the CD of "Jasmine" with the Vitamin Q caps jumpered-in.
Title: Re: Has anyone bypassed metalized film output caps with PIO in their Crack?
Post by: earwaxxer on September 08, 2013, 03:06:22 PM
That seems about right... I would expect that sort of sound from that cap.
Title: Re: Has anyone bypassed metalized film output caps with PIO in their Crack?
Post by: Downhome Upstate on September 08, 2013, 03:22:12 PM
Next up - Siemens MKV 4.7 uf metalized poly in oil . . .
Title: Re: Has anyone bypassed metalized film output caps with PIO in their Crack?
Post by: Downhome Upstate on September 08, 2013, 03:35:18 PM
Nah, forget that. With the DT880/600, this is just perfect.
Title: Re: Has anyone bypassed metalized film output caps with PIO in their Crack?
Post by: earwaxxer on September 08, 2013, 04:10:49 PM
Yep,... Expensive caps are such for a reason... I have not found a "giant killer" out there that sounds as good as the boutique stuff. Thats my opinion. I have yet to spend the major big bucks, only because I'm too GD "practical". Although, I will say, Granger has surprised me, and inspired me to go the distance! If a hard core analytic like that can be swayed, maybe I will be too!
Title: Re: Has anyone bypassed metalized film output caps with PIO in their Crack?
Post by: Downhome Upstate on September 09, 2013, 06:40:03 AM
Eric,

FWIW, I meant that this amp--before a Speedball upgrade--sounds amazing to me thru the DT880/600s with only modest and inexpensive cap upgrades: the Dayton Audio 100 uf metalized polypropylene (cheap from Parts Express) and NOS Sprague Vitamin Q 1 uf PIO as bypass (available on ebay for not a lot of money). The tube damper on the 12AU7 helped, too.

It's so toe-tappin', head bobbin' good that I'm in no hurry to mess with anything else.
Title: Re: Has anyone bypassed metalized film output caps with PIO in their Crack?
Post by: Grainger49 on September 09, 2013, 07:30:30 AM
   .  .  .    I hear fuller and richer tone    .   .   .   .   

I often see PIO caps called "Tone" caps.  It is a smoother richer sound to me.
Title: Re: Has anyone bypassed metalized film output caps with PIO in their Crack?
Post by: earwaxxer on September 09, 2013, 03:19:16 PM

It's so toe-tappin', head bobbin' good that I'm in no hurry to mess with anything else.

I love that experience! Total peace. Bliss. All is good. I'm digin it!