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Title: Follow-up on the Vietnamese Crack...
Post by: Guy 13 on May 26, 2014, 12:09:25 AM
Hi all.
I've been using my Crack/HD-650 for a few weeks now
and I have put at least 100 miles (Hours) on it.
No problem.
I've solved my hum problem by adding the missing capacitor.
I've solved the red hot hot temperature with a slow speed super quiet
floor fan.
(Red hot it the top plate color.)
I did some tube rolling, to me, not much difference between the RCA 6080 and the RCA 6SA7G and all the 12AT7 NOS sounds the same to me, they all sound good with very little difference between them.
I am returning to TC Tubes a defective 6080 Retheon that they have already replaced.
Now, the Sennheiser HD-650 are good, but the sound coming out of them is not what I was expecting from those headphones.
They are dark or their harmonics are all sheved off from to to bottom.
They sound good for other, but they don't make me happy.
Now, what am I gona do ? ? ?
Well, since I have no money to buy the HiFiMan HE-400 with the adequate amplifier, I will keep them.
I was interested in the Bayer Dynamics DT-880/990 but look as if they have no dealers here on planet Viertnam.
It's not that the combo Crack/HD650 is not good, it's just that it's not the sound I was looking for.
Many a long time ago I was spoilled with a pair of Stax.
I did a small modification that did improve a little the sound and it's the removal of the foam pads in frot of the drivers, now the drivers are not protected against dust, moskitots (Lots of that on planet Vietnam) and whatever can end up where it should not...
Anyway, when I wear them they are protected from dust and when I dont use them, they are protected by the Made in Vietnam/Designed by Guy 13 headphones support.
So that's it for now.
Is there are new new development, I will share them with you, that's a promiss.

Guy 13






 
Title: Re: Follow-up on the Vietnamese Crack...
Post by: Guy 13 on May 29, 2014, 01:53:33 PM

Hi all.
I came back from the Sennheiser showroom.
When I went there at 1.30pm, the time of my appointment,
I brought with me my Bottlehead Crack and a step down transformer (230V-120V) and a few well recorded CDs of various type of music that I know well.
I’ve used his CD player. (Make: Exposure, made ? ? ? probably in China, but look like the company is in the UK. )
I first tried the HD-800.
They are big, really big, they would be a good fit for Prince Charles and surprisingly light weight for their size and they are very comfortable and look well made, not too fragile.
They are sold at 1,450 USD.
I must say that for that audition the ambient noise was typically Vietnamese, means loud, even extra loud.
Everything on planet Vietnam is loud, for them it’s normal, even in that hi-end shopping mall.
So my comments are tinted and colored with hi ambient noise, which is not ideal for a good evaluation.
The overall sound is good, the bass is really nice, the mid are good, but I was expecting better, the highs are not exaggerated like many reviewers said. I don’t find the highs aggressive.
Now the sound stage that was supposed to be wide, even huge to me, it was a little better than my HD-650 but not by much, most of the sound comes from each sides and on the top a little toward the front.
Now the HD-700 at 945 USD are smaller in size, lightweight and also comfortable and well made.
I would say that the sound is about the same as the HD-800 but everything on a smaller scale.
Then I tried a pair of HD-650 that he had on demo and…
Well they sounded like mine, dark, not bad, dark.
All the frequencies are there, but without life, enjoyment, fun, micro details and more, excuse me, I mean less…
But you know what, after comparing my HD-650 with the HD-800 and HD-700, they are not that bad.
Is it me at 66 years old that cannot anymore appreciate the sound of hi-end headphones?
Spending so much money on something (HD-700/800)
I don’t find better than what I already have,
does not make sense to me, especially with my micro budget.
Of course the fact that the ambient noise was so disturbing does not help for a good evaluation.
I think there is something wrong with my combo ears/brain or the umbilical cord between my ears and my brain is damaged
or is it really the ambient noise that spoiled everything and make it difficult to appreciate the sound of those two hi-end headphones.
I also listen to his tube headphone amplifier by the make of Eternal Arts Model Basic Line Made in Germany at 1,450 USD
The sound was good, but a little less refined than my Crack it was not muddy, but a little fat and it was much more expensive than my Crack.
(Sorry, here I go again with the choice of wrong words…)
I also asked the salesman to check with his manager if he could take back my almost new and unused HD-650, he will check with her, however, I got the feeling that the answer will be negative and even if it’s positive, I will have to reach deep into my pocket for more than 500 USD.
Is that worth for an HD-700 that don’t really sounds better to my ears.
I really need to bring home those HD-700 to have a serious listening, but after hearing both HD-700/800 I am not sure anymore if I want to let go my HD-650 and loose some difficult to earn $$$.
Now, I am trying to get a listening appointment for the Bayerdynamic DT-880/990; then I will decide.
I will still try to listen to the HiFiMan HE-400, but I know that will be a lost of time, because even if they are not expensive, I will have to buy a new amplifier for them, something, I cannot afford right now and even later.
Sorry about this disappointing evaluation.
I am not the right guy to give good evaluation on any audio products, because I rarely see any improvements when I switch from one component to the other.
Next week, I will have more comments.
In the mean time, I will do more (Serious) listening with my combo Crack/HD-650.
Thanks for reading my boring stuff.

Guy 13

The name of the store/showroom is SV House
On Dong Khoi/Le Loi streets in Ho Chi Minh City, planet Vietnam.
The salesman name is: Mr. Vo Minh Tuan.
Here are pictures of him and me or me and him.
Title: Re: Follow-up on the Vietnamese Crack...
Post by: Kris on May 29, 2014, 03:23:55 PM
Guy,

Have you considered HD600 instead? They are "brighter" than HD650's and lots of people prefer them over 650's (I'm not one of them but that's up to your personal taste).
Not to mentioned that HD600's are appx. $100 cheaper.

Cheers,
Kris
Title: Re: Follow-up on the Vietnamese Crack...
Post by: Guy 13 on May 29, 2014, 03:35:44 PM
Guy,

Have you considered HD600 instead? They are "brighter" than HD650's and lots of people prefer them over 650's (I'm not one of them but that's up to your personal taste).
Not to mentioned that HD600's are appx. $100 cheaper.

Cheers,
Kris

Hi Kris.
I have been told by several persons the same thing you just wrote.
It might be easy to arrange a listening session with the store and since my HD-650 are 8 months old, but in mint condition, the salesman, might do a swap with any $ $ $ involve.
However, the difference must be noticeable to my 66 years old ears,
I really have a problem hearing differences between audio components.
(Interconnects, tubes, CD Players, etc...)
Thanks for the suggestion.
I will see and hear.

Guy 13
Title: Re: Follow-up on the Vietnamese Crack...
Post by: JamieMcC on May 29, 2014, 11:31:56 PM
Hi guy, I have a suggestion that will only cost a few dollars to try and I think might work well for you with the Crack and HD650's and that is to try the Russian  K71-7 Polystyrene capacitors either with or in place of the Teflons you already have fitted. They are small and cheap and would be quick and easy to install in you build I think may well give you the lift in overall presentation you are after.

The effect of bypassing with the K71-7 Polystyrenes I found quiet pronounced and initially I was like WOW however I soon realised the presentation was became fatiguing to listen to in my set up with the T1's and a hour or two was all I could comfortably listen before they became tiring.

They actually worked much better combined with softer presentation of my own HD650's and I can see them suiting more mature ears even better!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/0-5uF-250V-0-5-Matched-Pair-K71-7-Polystyrene-capacitors-Lot-of-2-NOS-/231001582495?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35c8c46b9f
Title: Re: Follow-up on the Vietnamese Crack...
Post by: Guy 13 on May 29, 2014, 11:54:13 PM
Hi guy, I have a suggestion that will only cost a few dollars to try and I think might work well for you with the Crack and HD650's and that is to try the Russian  K71-7 Polystyrene capacitors either with or in place of the Teflons you already have fitted. They are small and cheap and would be quick and easy to install in you build I think may well give you the lift in overall presentation you are after.

The effect of bypassing with the K71-7 Polystyrenes I found quiet pronounced and initially I was like WOW however I soon realised the presentation was became fatiguing to listen to in my set up with the T1's and a hour or two was all I could comfortably listen before they became tiring.

They actually worked much better combined with softer presentation of my own HD650's and I can see them suiting more mature ears even better!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/0-5uF-250V-0-5-Matched-Pair-K71-7-Polystyrene-capacitors-Lot-of-2-NOS-/231001582495?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35c8c46b9f
Hi Jamie.
Thanks for the suggestion.
It's an inexpensive trial, therefore, not much to loose, the only small problem is that I cannot get them ship to planet Vietnam, but I can always get them shipped
to my wife's nephew in Seattle, but it might take a few months to get them via a relative or friend space flying to planet Vietnam.
I might have soon other audio stuff to order, can put everything together, but that won't change the fact that it will still take some time to get it, that's the price to pay to live on another planet.
When I get them, I will ask you were to instal them.
Thanks again.

Guy 13
 
Title: Re: Follow-up on the Vietnamese Crack...
Post by: JamieMcC on May 30, 2014, 12:14:50 AM
Guy they would solder with each lead to the same terminals as the upright silver teflons are connected you could even solder them to the same leads.

Do you have problems with the post service in Vietnam and receiving incoming mail?

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Title: Re: Follow-up on the Vietnamese Crack...
Post by: Guy 13 on May 30, 2014, 12:27:42 AM
Guy they would solder with each lead to the same terminals as the upright silver teflons are connected you could even solder them to the same leads.

Do you have problems with the post service in Vietnam and receiving incoming mail?

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Hi (Again) Jamie.
That's an easy enough soldering job. I can do that.
So, if I understand well, the Russian capacitors are by-pass to the existing capacitors?
The problem with Amazon, eBay, etc... Is that they don't ship to Vietnam,
plus the fact that very often small padded envelopes (Jiffy bags) or small box,
get stolen by low income, not to say, custom and/or post office thief.
Sad to say, but with my almost 20 years in Vietnam,
I know quite well what can happen.

Guy 13
 
Title: Re: Follow-up on the Vietnamese Crack...
Post by: JamieMcC on May 30, 2014, 12:57:55 AM

So, if I understand well, the Russian capacitors are by-pass to the existing capacitors?

Guy 13

Yes that's correct they would be added as by-passes to the existing capacitors.

Title: Re: Follow-up on the Vietnamese Crack...
Post by: Guy 13 on May 30, 2014, 01:09:16 AM

So, if I understand well, the Russian capacitors are by-pass to the existing capacitors?

Guy 13

Yes that's correct they would be added as by-passes to the existing capacitors.

Hi (Again - again) Jamie.
Thanks.

Guy 13

Title: Re: Follow-up on the Vietnamese Crack...
Post by: mcandmar on May 30, 2014, 03:27:28 AM

I first tried the HD-800.
They are big, really big, they would be a good fit for Prince Charles and surprisingly light weight for their size and they are very comfortable and look well made, not too fragile.
They are sold at 1,450 USD.
I must say that for that audition the ambient noise was typically Vietnamese, means loud, even extra loud.
Everything on planet Vietnam is loud, for them it’s normal, even in that hi-end shopping mall.
So my comments are tinted and colored with hi ambient noise, which is not ideal for a good evaluation.
The overall sound is good, the bass is really nice, the mid are good, but I was expecting better, the highs are not exaggerated like many reviewers said. I don’t find the highs aggressive.
Now the sound stage that was supposed to be wide, even huge to me, it was a little better than my HD-650 but not by much, most of the sound comes from each sides and on the top a little toward the front.
Now the HD-700 at 945 USD are smaller in size, lightweight and also comfortable and well made.
I would say that the sound is about the same as the HD-800 but everything on a smaller scale.
Then I tried a pair of HD-650 that he had on demo and…
Well they sounded like mine, dark, not bad, dark.
All the frequencies are there, but without life, enjoyment, fun, micro details and more, excuse me, I mean less…
But you know what, after comparing my HD-650 with the HD-800 and HD-700, they are not that bad.
Is it me at 66 years old that cannot anymore appreciate the sound of hi-end headphones?

Your impressions of the 650/700/800 are pretty much spot on to what i have picked up from reading various opinions over the years. The 650s are dark and laid back, and the 700 are known to be a bit bright in the high end, and if anything dont seem to get a lot of love. Reviewing any headphone with high ambient conditions is no easy feat, would make it extremely hard to differentiate the differences.

Personally i would shop around a bit more before making any decisions, see can you sample a few different Bayerdynamic models and see what you think.  I'm sure there are other high impedance headphones out there, i just cant think of any off the top of my head..
Title: Re: Follow-up on the Vietnamese Crack...
Post by: Guy 13 on May 30, 2014, 04:14:36 AM

I first tried the HD-800.
They are big, really big, they would be a good fit for Prince Charles and surprisingly light weight for their size and they are very comfortable and look well made, not too fragile.
They are sold at 1,450 USD.
I must say that for that audition the ambient noise was typically Vietnamese, means loud, even extra loud.
Everything on planet Vietnam is loud, for them it’s normal, even in that hi-end shopping mall.
So my comments are tinted and colored with hi ambient noise, which is not ideal for a good evaluation.
The overall sound is good, the bass is really nice, the mid are good, but I was expecting better, the highs are not exaggerated like many reviewers said. I don’t find the highs aggressive.
Now the sound stage that was supposed to be wide, even huge to me, it was a little better than my HD-650 but not by much, most of the sound comes from each sides and on the top a little toward the front.
Now the HD-700 at 945 USD are smaller in size, lightweight and also comfortable and well made.
I would say that the sound is about the same as the HD-800 but everything on a smaller scale.
Then I tried a pair of HD-650 that he had on demo and…
Well they sounded like mine, dark, not bad, dark.
All the frequencies are there, but without life, enjoyment, fun, micro details and more, excuse me, I mean less…
But you know what, after comparing my HD-650 with the HD-800 and HD-700, they are not that bad.
Is it me at 66 years old that cannot anymore appreciate the sound of hi-end headphones?

Your impressions of the 650/700/800 are pretty much spot on to what i have picked up from reading various opinions over the years. The 650s are dark and laid back, and the 700 are known to be a bit bright in the high end, and if anything dont seem to get a lot of love. Reviewing any headphone with high ambient conditions is no easy feat, would make it extremely hard to differentiate the differences.

Personally i would shop around a bit more before making any decisions, see can you sample a few different Bayerdynamic models and see what you think.  I'm sure there are other high impedance headphones out there, i just cant think of any off the top of my head..

Hi mcandmar.
Yes, I will shop around, as a matter of fact, I found an authorized dealer for Bayerdynamic, he's more or less my competitor, he sell video stuff and I specialize in photo, but I have a few items for video.
He's got on demo the DT880 and 990, however, since my wife called him, I don't know if they are 250 or 600 Ohms.
I might go and see him tomorrow, but if not, it will be Tuesday the 3rd, because the 2nd I will go and see the authorized dealer of HiFiMan and Audeze, but those two brands are definitely not on my wish list. HiFiMan need a new amplifier and Audeze is for the millionaire, something I am not right now or even in a near or far future. It's just to have a few more references.
But I am definitely interested in the BD DT-880/990 (600 Ohms) because they are both affordable and can be driven by my Crack.
I will also try the HD-600.
Therefore, before committing myself with a new pair of headphones, this time, I will take my time.
If I buy another pair of headphones it will be from a Vietnamese authorized dealer, because of the warranty, I know that Amazon has good prices, but delivery and warranty return might be a problem.
Thanks for your post.

Guy 13 stuck on planet Vietnam.
Title: Re: Follow-up on the Vietnamese Crack...
Post by: Chris65 on May 30, 2014, 04:39:41 AM
But I am definitely interested in the BD DT-880/990 (600 Ohms) because they are both affordable and can be driven by my Crack.

Hi Guy, the 250ohm versions also work well with the Crack.
Maybe the list of headphones on the main Bottlehead site is useful: http://bottlehead.com/which-amp-should-i-buy-for-my-headphones/ (http://bottlehead.com/which-amp-should-i-buy-for-my-headphones/)
Title: Re: Follow-up on the Vietnamese Crack...
Post by: Guy 13 on May 30, 2014, 04:26:30 PM
But I am definitely interested in the BD DT-880/990 (600 Ohms) because they are both affordable and can be driven by my Crack.

Hi Guy, the 250ohm versions also work well with the Crack.
Maybe the list of headphones on the main Bottlehead site is useful: http://bottlehead.com/which-amp-should-i-buy-for-my-headphones/ (http://bottlehead.com/which-amp-should-i-buy-for-my-headphones/)

Hi Chris65.
(Does the 65 in your nick name means you were born in 1965?
No need to answer, but if you don't answer my curiosity will be...
Well you know.)
I've been thinking about my HD-650 problem, well, it's more like a long term concern
on a 24/24 basis and I've more or less narrow down my choice to the following headphones:
HD-600, DT-880/990.
Of course I will have to audition them before taking my final decision.
But right now, it looks like I will probably keep the HD-650, unless one of the above mentioned headphones sounds better to my ears than what I have now and of course, if I can afford them, meaning that I would have to sell at a lost the HD-650, something that I am reluctant to do.
Anyway, today I will go to the Bayerdynanic dealer to audition the DT-880/990.
As usual, I will report my findings in details.
By the way, even if the Crack can drive easily the 250 Ohms headphones, if I change,
I would go with a 600 Ohms unit, if available.
Thanks for posting.

Guy 13


Title: Re: Follow-up on the Vietnamese Crack...
Post by: Guy 13 on May 31, 2014, 04:27:05 PM

Hi all.
Yesterday, I went to Camera Phuoc the official importer/retailer for Bayerdynamic.
Camera Phuoc is more or less a competitor on mine, but he’s in the professional video equipment business and I am in the professional photo equipment supply, minds you, we also offer a limited range of video items. Anyway…
Upon arrival in that, as small as my showroom, but much nicer and more stocked than mine showroom, the top model style (Holly macro…) receptionist greeted me with some kind of poker face, I asked her about the headphones and she mumble to me : Yes we have those.
Then, I had to ask her if she could smile, really, I did and she showed me what was supposed to be a smile, but to me look more like an angry face, that typical from the people from the North of Vietnam working in the South.
Anyway, a smiling male salesman came up to me and offer to help me.
He had on demo the DT-880 (250 Ohms) and the DT-990 (250 Ohms) and may other models, but those are the two models that I wanted to audition. He set up was a laptop with FLAC files downloaded from the Vietnamese Internet, which means poor quality and what look like a DAC/headphone amplifier, a Samson brand with several headphones outputs.
I am sure that little box did not do justice to the headphone, but had the advantage to being able to switch within 3-5 seconds between the DT-880/990/HD-650 that I brought as a reference.
My first impression on the DT-880 is that they are comfortable, but my ears are touching something inside and they feel big, too big, like I have put some kind of tin can over my hears.
The sound at first was thin, almost cavernous…
But after a while I realize that it was brighter than my HD650, I did a rapid switch between the DT880 and HD650 and it confirmed my thoughts.
The HD650 is darker, but the bass is better and overall, the HD650 seems to do a better job.
Also one thing about the HD650 they are more comfortable, like if your ears were a little baby pampered by her loving mother. They have a tight fit around the ears and I prefer that to the more or less loose fit of the DT880.
Now, I tried the DT-990 same as above but to me a little better of/on everything, except again for the fit over the ears.
Switching from the DT-990 ad the HD650 made me like both, they both have their plus and minus.
I have eliminated the HD-880 and compared the 990 to the 650.
Comfort: HD-650 is the winner by a lot.
Bass: HD-650 wins again, but the DT990 is not far behind.
Mids: More or less equal.
The HD650 is dark and the DT990 sound a little cavernous, but brighter.
Hi: Very different sound between the two.
The DT990 is brighter with what seems to be more details, more sparkle, the HD650 is very good in the highs, but again dark.
Even if my listening experience at Camera Phuoc showroom is better (Less ambient noise, but less quality source and amplification) than the listening session I had at Sennheirser showroom, I would love to bring the DT990 at home to do a more extensive listening with MY Crack and MY Rega Apollo CD player in an almost dead quiet listening room.
One other thing: The 600 Ohms version is a special order; he will tell me how much time it can take to get them.
Now, the shocking news !
The price: The sales man told me that the price of the DT990 is 4,490,000 Vietnamese dollars, which comes down in real money to 212 USD, I told the salesman that he had make a mistake since the DT990 are advertised on Amazon at 379 USD, I told him that he had made a mistake when doing the conversion from Vietnamese Dong to US dollars. I told him to check again.
Yes, it’s really 212 USD.
I’ve asked him why is that?
Because they are the official importer/retailer.
That was a pleasant surprise.
Plus a two years warranty.
Now, he told me that the 600 Ohms version is a little more expensive, he will get back to me in a few days with availability and price.
Almost forgot about the sound stage, well, nothing much to say about that, very narrow and all.
I am happy that I went there to audition the DT-880/990.
I am still not decided… ???
On Monday, I have an audition at the HiFiMan/Audeze’s showroom.
After that, I will have to take/make a difficult decision, because right now, I am loosing sleep over that decision.
One thing is sure, the Sennheiser HD-700/800 have been eliminated from my wish list. I have to try the HD-600, but I am reluctant because I think I will be loosing my time.
I will get back to you sometime next week.
Stay close by, don’t go far away…

Guy 13



 
   


 
   
Title: Re: Follow-up on the Vietnamese Crack...
Post by: Chris65 on June 01, 2014, 12:01:49 AM
Hi Chris65. (Does the 65 in your nick name means you were born in 1965?
No need to answer, but if you don't answer my curiosity will be...
Well you know.)

Ahh, no. 65 is just a random number I use for many web things (not sure why I chose it many years ago).
Actually born '61.
Good to hear you liked the Beyers. I have the DT-990 Premium 250ohm, & like them, although I don't do a great amount of headphone listening. I got them from Amazon a few years back for $180, so your $212 is probably not unbelievable. (they are the Premium? not the cheaper Pro's?)

All the best, Chris

Title: Re: Follow-up on the Vietnamese Crack...
Post by: Chris65 on June 01, 2014, 03:07:28 AM
Not that sure of the differences myself, the Pro's are cheaper. lighter & look different - different headband, cable, earpiece covers.
The tech specs are the same. Info can be found on Beyer site.
Pro: http://europe.beyerdynamic.com/shop/hah/headphones-and-headsets/studio-and-stage/studio-headphones/dt-990-pro.html (http://europe.beyerdynamic.com/shop/hah/headphones-and-headsets/studio-and-stage/studio-headphones/dt-990-pro.html)
Premium: http://europe.beyerdynamic.com/shop/hah/headphones-and-headsets/at-home/music-pleasure/dt-990-edition.html (http://europe.beyerdynamic.com/shop/hah/headphones-and-headsets/at-home/music-pleasure/dt-990-edition.html)
Title: Re: Follow-up on the Vietnamese Crack...
Post by: Alonzo on June 02, 2014, 05:43:56 AM
Guy,
It's been a pleasure to read thru your adventures in search of a headphone system.  Seems to have ended well.  I also own a Crack/HD650 setup (2 actually, I built one as a preamp/headphone amp) and I tried as many headphones and amps I could find in the San Francisco area.  After replacing the foam ear pieces with hose and replacing the cord, the HD650's settled in nicely.  I hope yours do the same.

You have much to go thru for the turntable/phono pre search, lots of variables, combinations and choices to get to good vinyl sound.   I'm on that adventure now, having banished my Seduction to the garage for poor performance (happily blaming the equipment instead of the builder since I built it and I can't figure out what is wrong with it).  I look forward to your perspective and reviews.

Alonzo
Title: Re: Follow-up on the Vietnamese Crack...
Post by: Alonzo on June 02, 2014, 09:18:27 PM
Here's a link to all the modifications I've tried.  I settled on getting a pair of nylons at CVS and replacing the front (inside) foams.  https://www.head-fi.org/t/561234/sennheiser-hd-650-mod-compilation.  I've got a pair of mahogany cups but I haven't tried those yet.
The cable is just a Cardas upgrade from Music Direct:  http://www.musicdirect.com/p-3724-cardas-hd650-upgrade-cable.aspx. I need to have a longer one made and there's a bottlehead member that makes cables.

My Seduction just doesn't sound as good as the cheap DJ Pre phonostage I picked up to hold me over while I was working on the seduction.  The Seduction is grainy and vocals sound as if the singer needs to clear there throat.  I will probably get around to troubleshooting it.  It dropped down to the bottom of the "to do" list though.
I've considered buying a Reduction or Eros, I'd have to listen to vinyl a lot more to justify the Eros cost and then I would have to wait on delivery.  That would be terrible.  I have an attention issue and the delivery time for BH equipment drives me crazy.

Have you tried plugging your Bellari into a separate outlet from your turntable and amp?  My Seduction had hum until I figured out the ground loop from the outlets in my den.  I ended up with the amp separate and the turntable and Seduction plugged into the same outlet, but I had to remove a lamp that was on a wall switch.
Alonzo
Alonzo
Title: Re: Follow-up on the Vietnamese Crack...
Post by: Mach2 on June 21, 2014, 06:47:14 PM
Hi Guy 13,

Your story is amusing to me since it's more or less my experience when I came back to Vietnam after 10 years living abroad. I thought my adventure into the audio world stopped then, until I went to those shops making friends. This hobby is all about to meeting people and trading/upgrading your gears and the community is part of the game. There is a huge headphile community here, if you're willing to look for them.

Speaking of your combo, the Crack/HD650 is a mighty one and is pretty close to the headphone nirvana IMHO. Compare it to a Stax system of course is not a fair fight. I have yet to experience a good Stax system long enough to make out how much it's better than the Crack/HD650 but I think from here, moving up the ladder get you very small improvement for what you have to pay for and is more of a "gain something, lose something" experience. Chance that if you replace your HD650 by something else you'll quickly find out the cons of your new system and will start to look for a new upgrade. This hobby never stops until we find our peace of mind or until our wallet is absolutely destroyed, whichever comes first.

Drop me an PM if you want to make yet another friend here in this noisy, crowded yet charming city.

-PH-
Title: Re: Follow-up on the Vietnamese Crack...
Post by: Paul Birkeland on June 22, 2014, 12:35:43 PM
It is a fact that the Crack is optimized for 300-600 Ohms heaphones,
however, it can drive load down to 60 Ohms.
I tried my Sennheiser HD570 at 60 Ohms and they sounded good,
except for the bass that was not too good.
Muddy, no impact, not natural, not really listenable...
You are kind of contradicting yourself.  This is the exact reason that it can't drive loads down to 60 Ohms.

Title: Re: Follow-up on the Vietnamese Crack...
Post by: Paul Birkeland on June 24, 2014, 04:24:41 AM
Hello Guy,

I don't mean any offense.

There's just the opportunity for people to read that the Crack works well with 60 Ohm headphones, when in fact there will be a great deal of distortion and bass rolloff, which are not the ideal circumstances under which to judge the circuit.

-PB
Title: Re: Follow-up on the Vietnamese Crack...
Post by: 2wo on July 08, 2014, 05:09:51 PM
Hi Guy, Speedball is the name of the mod. I thought you had it already, it may be what you are looking for.

Your descriptions of life in Vietnam, come across as anything but boring...John   
Title: Re: Follow-up on the Vietnamese Crack...
Post by: fullheadofnothing on July 10, 2014, 06:41:30 PM
Guy,
No offense taken. It seemed like a typo, and I know English isn't your native language. I always put a note in when I edit someone's post to keep it all above board (and I generally prefer to not edit posts when avoidable).

Title: Re: Follow-up on the Vietnamese Crack...
Post by: Grainger49 on July 16, 2014, 12:11:07 AM
Guy,

It only counts, to you, what the sound sounds like to you.  What it sounds like to anyone else doesn't matter.
Title: Re: Follow-up on the Vietnamese Crack...
Post by: Grainger49 on July 16, 2014, 06:19:12 AM
I'm an engineer, I was briefer.

But you got it!
Title: Re: Follow-up on the Vietnamese Crack...
Post by: JamieMcC on July 16, 2014, 07:30:24 AM
I feel positive Shakespeare would have said.

To mod or not to mod that is the question!
Title: Re: Follow-up on the Vietnamese Crack...
Post by: Strikkflypilot on July 16, 2014, 11:09:22 AM
I think this is a very nice thread.
It is like a travellers chronicles with letters home.
Very involving.
Should have a theme song.

Something like "Speedball! Ta da dum..."

But seriously, I think I have read every one entry and can almost feel how
hot and damp it must be in Vietnam. I have sadly only been to Malaysia.
Guy, I am cheering You on in Your quest for The Sound.
Title: Re: Follow-up on the Vietnamese Crack...
Post by: Strikkflypilot on July 16, 2014, 06:10:05 PM
Thank You very much for the offer.
I reside up here in the Fjords of Scandinavia, however
It would make a very long flight.
Hope You find the sound You are looking for.
Title: Re: Follow-up on the Vietnamese Crack...
Post by: Aeolus Kratos on July 16, 2014, 10:32:21 PM
Hi all.
The other day I met a nice Vietnamese guy via the Bottlehead Forum.
He owns a Crack headphone amplifier like mine, but his, as the Speedball up-grade
and one day, hopefully before I die, he will come to my house with his amplifier
and his (Expensive and heavy - 18Kg) Sonic BG NFD or B DAC unit.
He told me that his up-graded Crack will make my Sennheiser sound less veiled and dark.
I am very anxious to hear that with my own ears.
I have a tendency to not believe people, only believe my own two 66 years old ears.
If the Bottlehead Speedball up-grade makes my HD650 less dark,
I could be saving about 275 USD. (400USD for the HD600 and 125 USD for the Speedball)
But, I will stay put until I hear his Crack.

Guy 13
Hi Mr.Guy,

Haha, I promise I'll bring my Crack to your house in a very near future. No worries. Stay tuned!

Warm regards,
Kratos.
Title: Re: Follow-up on the Vietnamese Crack...
Post by: Aeolus Kratos on July 18, 2014, 12:29:19 AM
Hi Kratos.
Where did you get the idea to come up with such a bizarre
nick name like that?
What in the world does Aeolus Kratos means?
To me, it sounds like a very rare contagious disease... :)

Guy 13

Last time you were in my house,
you remember I took a picture of you and me,
well, guess what?
I forgot to put a memory card in my camera.
Stupid me, well, maybe I am not stupid,
but I am definitely absent minded.
Can I get a second chance when you come to my house next time?
Hi Mr.Guy,

About my nickname, I initially tended to just use 'Kratos' ( which is the main character in the 'God of War' video game ), but I finally came up with this nickname because 'Aeolus' is my brother's one. Not sure what 'Aeolus' means, but it sounds fun  :D

Haha, yes, of course you can. I'm not shy of being taken pictures, because I'm a good-looking guy  8)

Regards,
Kratos.

Title: Re: Follow-up on the Vietnamese Crack...
Post by: Paul Joppa on July 18, 2014, 01:17:34 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeolus
Title: Re: Follow-up on the Vietnamese Crack...
Post by: Paul Birkeland on July 27, 2014, 08:32:52 AM
Now, what will happen if the Crack Speedball up-grade makes
an improvement on the sound?   

That is generally the idea behind an upgrade.  (It's also both audible and measurable)
Title: Re: Follow-up on the Vietnamese Crack...
Post by: JamieMcC on August 22, 2014, 11:42:36 AM
You might consider changing the title of this tread to "The Guy Diary's"  :D I will keep a eye out for new entries!
Title: Re: Follow-up on the Vietnamese Crack...
Post by: Doc B. on August 23, 2014, 06:04:50 AM
The forum is a very inefficient place to try to post a diary because the format is not intended to showcase one person's thoughts ahead of those of others. Blogs have been developed specifically for that kind of thing, and I would suggest you start one if you wish to post your daily experiences. Come to think of it that might be a more focused way for Grainger to post his daily musings too.
Title: Re: Follow-up on the Vietnamese Crack...
Post by: Paul Birkeland on August 23, 2014, 08:34:14 AM
Dan,
I guess this is the source of the attitude I have been feeling here.  I started a thread in Technical Topics about the cause of capacitor failures.  That is a technical topic.  It was moved to Grainger's Corner.

I shared the great sound upgrading a part per channel in Digital and it got moved to Grainger's Corner.  I've been confused for a while.

Grainger, you were posting in one of those threads about "missing posts" in that thread, and those missing posts were in the other thread.

There is no doubt that you were confused, so we merged the two topics so that you could find your missing posts that weren't actually missing.
Title: Re: Follow-up on the Vietnamese Crack...
Post by: Doc B. on August 23, 2014, 10:41:38 AM
There are threads here in the Bottlehead kit related forums that deal with a specific topic. A lot of newbs go through them to learn about our products. If someone uses one of those threads for a personal, shall we say digression, from the Bottlehead related subject matter it makes the thread less functional for the reader.

Grainger, you're a great guy and people really appreciate your posts that are offered as helpful advice. What I am suggesting is that we appreciate your posts and those of everyone else that deal with the topic at hand. Multiple threads about other gear like aging CD players and maybe some of the posts that are more of a conversational nature like the drifting of this thread away from the Crack amp to more general diary entry that we have seen lately might be adding enough non-specific material to certain forums and to make it a little more difficult for users to get to the answers they are looking for.

It's not a matter of uninviting, and this is not a snub. I have even gone to the effort to give you your own forum because you seem to like to post here a lot. Your post count is quite high, higher than anyone else by a goodly amount. OT posting is not a bad thing, I certainly post OT stuff here like others do. My suggestion is simply that if we can all be a little thoughtful about what and where and how often we are posting we can keep the forum a really useful tool for the dissemination of info about Bottlehead products and keep it entertaining at the same time.
Title: Re: Follow-up on the Vietnamese Crack...
Post by: Guy 13 on September 09, 2014, 05:58:53 PM
You might consider changing the title of this tread to "The Guy Diary's"  :D I will keep a eye out for new entries!

Hi all.
I won't change my tread to : The Guy diary's,
I will simply post on Audio Circle under Guy 13 everything I want to share
and there is a lot that I want to share,
something that I already do and that is appreciated by many AudioCircle members.
Anyway, thanks for the suggestion.

Guy 13
 
Title: Re: Follow-up on the Vietnamese Crack...
Post by: Guy 13 on September 16, 2014, 04:51:45 AM

Hi all.
Many of you have been following my misadventures
or my partial un-satisfaction with my HD650 headphones.
Well let me share with you the following happy event that happened today.
My audio friend Mr. Khiem and I have set up a meeting at his house so I could listen to his Bottlehead Crack, but his, contrary to mine, with a Speedball upgrade.
First his system consisted of the following:
An HP laptop with files downloaded from the Internet I presume they are Lossless ??? We also used my CDs on his laptop.
An AudioGD NFB7 DAC with a Signal Cable coaxial cable
A Bottlehead Crack with the Speedball upgrade.
(Not sure of the 12AU7 + 6080 ?)
…and my super comfy HD650 and his less comfy to my ears BD T1.
Within 10 seconds, I know the sound was better with his Crack,
the veil was lifted and the darkness was gone.
What a pleasure to listen to the music, really enjoyable.
I would have never believed that the improvement/sound quality could be that much better.
The highs we clear as crystal, the mids were better and the bass, well maybe also better, but I am not sure, they were not worst that’s for sure.
Overall presentation was more enjoyable and not aggressive at all.
Then I tried his BDT1 comfortable, but I still prefer mine, because they are lighter and my HD650 surround the ears.
The bass on the T1 is a little better, minds you, with some music it sounded a little boomy, but in general was a little better, but I can’t complain of the bass of my HD650, very satisfying.
The mids and highs are clearer, probably a little more natural than my HD650, but since I’ve got the HD650 and they are paid for, I will keep them.
I have finish dreaming of the HD600, I will keep my HD650 because they sound good, with the Speedball upgrade that is.
Now, I have to find the money (Robbing a bank my be a possibility) to buy the upgrade and also find someone to do the soldering and installation, minds you, Khiem told me that he knows someone here on planet Vietnam that can do it for 50 USD, that sounds a little expensive, but if it’s done right, then I guess it’s O.K.
I am thinking of another meeting, but that one will be at my house with his Crack to make a side by side comparison with my Rega Apollo, my Signal Cable Interconnects.
Then I will be 100% sure that the weak link in my headphone system is the missing Speedball upgrade.
So for now the conclusion is: Sennheiser HD650 will stay at home, won’t go anywhere.
Happy temporary ending.

Guy 13

Note:
Please don’t tell me that you knew the Speedball upgrade would make a big/huge difference in the sound quality.
Lately I’ve decided to believe no one and do my own experimentation and that’s what I just did and I am happy I did it
by myself with my own pair of ears.
 



 


 
Title: Re: Follow-up on the Vietnamese Crack...
Post by: Doc B. on September 16, 2014, 05:17:32 AM
A most excellent decision to listen and decide for yourself.
Title: Re: Follow-up on the Vietnamese Crack...
Post by: Grainger49 on September 16, 2014, 05:31:20 AM
Guy,

Excellent!  I think you made a breakthrough. 

Here is hoping that you like the upgrade in your system and buy one.  I think the $50 US for assembly and installation is reasonable.  Well, it would be here.
Title: Re: Follow-up on the Vietnamese Crack...
Post by: Guy 13 on September 16, 2014, 05:33:54 AM
Guy,

Excellent!  I think you made a breakthrough. 

Here is hoping that you like the upgrade in your system and buy one.  I think the $50 US for assembly and installation is reasonable.  Well, it would be here.


Thanks Grainger49
Title: Re: Follow-up on the Vietnamese Crack...
Post by: mcandmar on September 16, 2014, 07:04:08 AM
Glad your getting somewhere with this Guy.  Find out what tubes your friend is using as that output tube looks interesting, possibly a Bendix or Tung-Sol 6080WB or a Graphite plate, both of which are brighter then the regular 6080's.
Title: Re: Follow-up on the Vietnamese Crack...
Post by: Aeolus Kratos on September 16, 2014, 05:03:37 PM
Glad your getting somewhere with this Guy.  Find out what tubes your friend is using as that output tube looks interesting, possibly a Bendix or Tung-Sol 6080WB or a Graphite plate, both of which are brighter then the regular 6080's.
Hi mcandmar,

You are right. The power tube I've been using is the Bendix 6080WB Slotted Graphite Column Plate and the driver tube is the Tung-sol 12AU7 Long Black Plates.

Hi all.

First his system consisted of the following:
An HP laptop with files downloaded from the Internet I presume they are Lossless ??? We also used my CDs on his laptop.
An AudioGD NFB7 DAC with a Signal Cable coaxial cable
A Bottlehead Crack with the Speedball upgrade.
(Not sure of the 12AU7 + 6080 ?)

I am thinking of another meeting, but that one will be at my house with his Crack to make a side by side comparison with my Rega Apollo, my Signal Cable Interconnects.
Then I will be 100% sure that the weak link in my headphone system is the missing Speedball upgrade.
So for now the conclusion is: Sennheiser HD650 will stay at home, won’t go anywhere.
Happy temporary ending.

Guy 13
Hi Mr.Guy,

I'm very glad that you liked my system and found your way for upgrading. Before I bought my Beyer T1, I had used HD650 for roughly 5 years, so I pretty surely know what the HD650s are capable of. Therefore I suggested you come to my place first before selling your HD650 and get a HD600. It's great that now you had a second thought.

As for the fact you think the speedball upgrade is the 'key' point for the BIG ( I intended to use the word 'huge' or 'night-and-day' but you said you don't believe in such things so I didn't ) difference in sound quality like you heard yesterday, I don't totally agree with it. The speedball upgrade does make a noticeable improvement, but I firmly believe just installing the speedball is not enough. It's because I had tried another stock Crack ( with no speedball ) on my same system and it sounded NEARLY as good as when using my Crack ( using the same tubes and other 'tweaks' ). Another period of time, I tried my Crack ( the same Crack you listened to yesterday ) with my previous setup, the sound was even worse than using the stock Crack with my updated system. It lacked all the dynamics, layers, extension in both ends, very tight and well-controlled bass as well as the 'crystal clear' highs/mids as you described.

So if you are somewhat 'discouraged' with your Crack, don't be. You can bring your Crack and your beloved HD650 to my place to try with my system. I think you will be surprised with how your Crack can sing.

I'm not saying that the Speedball upgrade is bad. It truly is one of the most significant upgrades that you definitely should get, what I mean is there are many other things affecting the sound quality. The Crack is still a fantastic amp even without the speedball.
Title: Re: Follow-up on the Vietnamese Crack...
Post by: Guy 13 on September 16, 2014, 05:04:55 PM
A most excellent decision to listen and decide for yourself.

Thanks Doc.
I am trying to organize another test, but next time
it will be a side by side comparison test at my house,
with my set-up and with his and my Crack and my HD650.
That should be the ultimate/final test that will tell me
if spending some hard earned $$$ will be a good investment.
For me even audio investment of only 100 USD must be worth.
If today I'm like that (More or less a cheap skate)
it's because I've spent too many $$$ on audio stuff thru my audiophile life.

Guy 13
Home sweet home,
even if it's on planet Vietnam which is not my home.
 
Title: Re: Follow-up on the Vietnamese Crack...
Post by: Guy 13 on September 16, 2014, 05:06:34 PM
Guy,

Excellent!  I think you made a breakthrough. 

Here is hoping that you like the upgrade in your system and buy one.  I think the $50 US for assembly and installation is reasonable.  Well, it would be here.


Hi Grainger49.
Thanks for your kind words.
Have a look at what I wrote to Doc.

Guy 13
Title: Re: Follow-up on the Vietnamese Crack...
Post by: Guy 13 on September 16, 2014, 05:12:22 PM
Glad your getting somewhere with this Guy.  Find out what tubes your friend is using as that output tube looks interesting, possibly a Bendix or Tung-Sol 6080WB or a Graphite plate, both of which are brighter then the regular 6080's.

Hi mcandmar.
Now that you mention " Bendix ", seems to ring a bell,
I think that's the brand he's using.
I am using a RCA 6080 with RCA 12AU7 clear top,
I also have a RCA 6AS7G and a bunch of NOS 12AU7.
I will try his Bendix in my Crack (w/o Speedball)
and see/hear if I can hear an improvement with the sound.
Stay tune, more to come.

Guy 13

 
Title: Re: Follow-up on the Vietnamese Crack...
Post by: Guy 13 on September 16, 2014, 05:23:56 PM
Hi mcandmar,

You are right. The power tube I've been using is the Bendix 6080WB Slotted Graphite Column Plate and the driver tube is the Tung-sol 12AU7 Long Black Plates.
Hi Mr.Guy,

I'm very glad that you liked my system and found your way for upgrading. Before I bought my Beyer T1, I had used HD650 for roughly 5 years, so I pretty surely know what the HD650s are capable of. Therefore I suggested you come to my place first before selling your HD650 and get a HD600. It's great that now you had a second thought.

As for the fact you think the speedball upgrade is the 'key' point for the BIG ( I intended to use the word 'huge' or 'night-and-day' but you said you don't believe in such things so I didn't ) difference in sound quality like you heard yesterday, I don't totally agree with it. The speedball upgrade does make a noticeable improvement, but I firmly believe just installing the speedball is not enough. It's because I had tried another stock Crack ( with no speedball ) on my same system and it sounded NEARLY as good as when using my Crack ( using the same tubes and other 'tweaks' ). Another period of time, I tried my Crack ( the same Crack you listened to yesterday ) with my previous setup, the sound was even worse than using the stock Crack with my updated system. It lacked all the dynamics, layers, extension in both ends, very tight and well-controlled bass as well as the 'crystal clear' highs/mids as you described.

So if you are somewhat 'discouraged' with your Crack, don't be. You can bring your Crack and your beloved HD650 to my place to try with my system. I think you will be surprised with how your Crack can sing.

I'm not saying that the Speedball upgrade is bad. It truly is one of the most significant upgrades that you definitely should get, what I mean is there are many other things affecting the sound quality. The Crack is still a fantastic amp even without the speedball.

Hi Khiem.
Thanks for your comments.
I must do a side by side comparison of your and my Crack
just to make double sure if the investment is worthwhile for me.
This is the first step, later I will see what other components can be replace
to improve furthermore the sound.
Don't forget that I am on a very limited budget.

Guy 13
Title: Re: Follow-up on the Vietnamese Crack...
Post by: Grainger49 on September 17, 2014, 05:01:43 AM
Guy and I both want to be certain our audio investment will bring improvements in our systems. 
Title: Re: Follow-up on the Vietnamese Crack...
Post by: Guy 13 on September 17, 2014, 04:09:07 PM
Guy and I both want to be certain our audio investment will bring improvements in our systems. 
Hi Grainger.
Yes, that's correct, you and me want to be certain our audio investment
will bring improvements in our system,
however, when it comes to available $$$
I am certain that you are ahead of me
and that, without knowing how financially wealthy you are. :)

Guy 13
Title: Re: Follow-up on the Vietnamese Crack...
Post by: Guy 13 on February 01, 2015, 02:41:35 AM
Hi all,
I still have not purchased the Speedball up-grade ! Why you might ask ?
Because right now I am filling my piggy bank to the rim wit some $$$ for my return to my beautiful and civilized country Canada.
After 20 years on planet Vietnam, it's time for me to go back home to kick the bucket.
Today the generous Mr. Thi from Thivan Labs in Vietnam gave me free of charge a Bendix Jan-CEA 6080WB tube (Metal base with graphite plates.)
I did a quick listen comparing the RCA 6AS7G and the Bendix 6080WB
and my soon to be 67 years old ears said that the Bendix is a little brighter and maybe got a little more punch. But the difference between the two tubes is so little, that I am not sure of the difference. Both tubes sounds good.
So now I am up to two 6080 and three 6AS7G tubes, plus five 12AU7 of various brands.
So I am good with spare and tube rolling until I kick the bucket,
hopefully/preferrably in Canada.
Just wanted to share that no so psecial event.

Guy 13
   
Title: Re: Follow-up on the Vietnamese Crack...
Post by: JamieMcC on February 01, 2015, 04:50:31 AM
Guy what is this talk of kicking the bucket I hope you are not unwell? 67 is far younger than 77 or 87 which are a decade or two away you still might not have enough tubes yet! 

Jamie
Title: Re: Follow-up on the Vietnamese Crack...
Post by: Guy 13 on February 01, 2015, 03:48:57 PM
Guy what is this talk of kicking the bucket I hope you are not unwell? 67 is far younger than 77 or 87 which are a decade or two away you still might not have enough tubes yet! 

Jamie

Hi Jamie,
look as if 67 years went by so fast that for me the next 10, 20 or 30 years,
will arrive tomorrow.
I am Diabetes type 2, I am anemic, my legs are tired of carrying my old carcass
but other than I'm fine.
Kicking the bucket is for me a funny way to talk about the end.
Thanks for your kind words and your worried about me.

Guy 13

 
Title: Re: Follow-up on the Vietnamese Crack...
Post by: Guy 13 on February 04, 2015, 10:31:01 PM
Hi all,
Yesterday evening, I did one hour of serious tube rolling
And I came to the no surprise conclusion that it is very difficult for me
and my soon to be 67 year’s old ears to tell the difference
between my collections of NOS tubes.
During my tube rolling session I thought at times,
that I could hear a difference between some tubes,
but after several swaps I was not sure anymore.
However, I think the following tube give me the impression of being
a little better sounding than the remaining of my collection.
Maybe 10% better sounding, but again, not really sure ????
Raytheon 12AU7 (Thomas organ USA 1957) and
RCA 6AS7G.
From time to time, I will try again with other tubes,
just in case I can hear some differences, but I think not…
After complaining in several of mu posts about the Sennheiser HD650
being veil and dark, I guess I am now getting use to that kind of sound,
not that I like it, but I can live with it.
I am sure many could find my combo (Bottlehead Crack/Senneiser HD650)
very good sounding and I would agree with them.
If someone suggest to me the Speedball upgrade
or better tubes model and make, I have to pass, right now,
I have invested enough money on my headphones set up.
Thanks.

Guy 13

Title: Re: Follow-up on the Vietnamese Crack...
Post by: STURMJ on February 26, 2015, 07:59:34 AM
my experience is that, tubes of the same types sound pretty much the same (but different). That is there are differences but not typically night and day different, the differences are subtle .
Title: Re: Follow-up on the Vietnamese Crack...
Post by: Guy 13 on February 26, 2015, 10:40:12 PM
my experience is that, tubes of the same types sound pretty much the same (but different). That is there are differences but not typically night and day different, the differences are subtle .

Hi STURMJ,
Yes, to me the differences in sound from one tube to an other
is very difficult to tell.

Guy 13
 
Title: Re: Follow-up on the Vietnamese Crack...
Post by: Guy 13 on May 11, 2015, 03:23:46 PM
Hi all,
I am now back in my home country Canada.
After 20 years on planet Vietnam, I had to get back to where I was born.
I temporarily left my Bottlehead Crack on planet Vietnam.
Hopefully it will join me when I have permanently settle down,
which might take anywhere between a few months to one year.
I do miss my Crack... :(
My wife is taking care of my Crack, she's not using it,
but watching it so no one get close to it.

Guy 13
Title: Re: Follow-up on the Vietnamese Crack...
Post by: galyons on May 11, 2015, 03:33:50 PM
Hi all,
....I do miss my Crack... :(
My wife is taking care of my Crack, she's not using it,
but watching it so no one get close to it.

Guy 13

Oh Guy!!!  I REALLY should let this go, (especially since English is your second language), but given my gutter mind and the innuendo naming protocol of BH products....I just managed to get up off the floor and stop laughing!!!!

Welcome home bon ami!!

Cheers,
Geary
Title: Re: Follow-up on the Vietnamese Crack...
Post by: Grainger49 on May 12, 2015, 11:26:02 AM
   .   .   .   I do miss my Crack... :(
My wife is taking care of my Crack, she's not using it,
but watching it so no one get close to it.

Guy 13

Guy, I'm a very visual guy.  I got a mental picture of your wife hovering over the Crack watching it closely.

Geary, did you just call him a scouring powder?
   ;D
Title: Re: Follow-up on the Vietnamese Crack...
Post by: Guy 13 on May 12, 2015, 08:42:56 PM
Hi all,
O.K. you guys, you are taking advantage of my bad choice of English words.
Now that you mentioned it and that I have read again my post,
I realize that using the word Crack the way I did was opening the door to
some jokes about my bad choice or the way I wrote my thoughts.
I have a good sense of humor, so I accept being laugh at... :)
Next time, I will try to be more careful in my choice of words and read twice what I wrote
before I push the Send button.
Thanks for making me laugh.

Guy 13
By the way, sorry to say that my Vietnamese wife cannot take care of my " Crack "
since I am in Canada and she's on planet Vietnam.  :) :-[
 
Title: Re: Follow-up on the Vietnamese Crack...
Post by: Grainger49 on May 13, 2015, 12:18:06 AM
Guy,

Don't worry about the wording.  I think Doc and Paul named the amp Crack so it would have some funny statements about the amp.  We all get to laugh together.

Just browse the tread titles in the Crack folder keeping in mind the American phrase "butt crack".