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Title: Can I use the leftover wires from Crack for Speedball upgrade?
Post by: cddc on December 06, 2016, 09:35:48 PM
Just realized that I could use the leftover Crack wires to connect the Speedball boards.

The Crack wires have a larger diameter than the ones within the speedball package. I think they will conduct signal/current better, am I right?

So, can I use the leftover wires from Crack for Speedball upgrade?

Really appreciate it if someone could shed some light on it.
Title: Re: Can I use the leftover wires from Crack for Speedball upgrade?
Post by: Tom-s on December 06, 2016, 10:27:43 PM
Yes these are tight but do fit the Speedball boards, so you could use them.
For ease of installation i would recommend using the wiring supplied with Speedball.
This also helps when you would like to replace the original Speedball boards for upgrades in the future.
Title: Re: Can I use the leftover wires from Crack for Speedball upgrade?
Post by: JamieMcC on December 07, 2016, 01:19:26 AM
I think the Speedball hook up wiring is Teflon coated and the thicker 20awg that comes with the Crack is not and the jacket can melt back a bit when soldering if not careful. 
Title: Re: Can I use the leftover wires from Crack for Speedball upgrade?
Post by: mcandmar on December 07, 2016, 03:02:49 AM
Correct its PTFE vs regular PVC and has a much higher melting point.  I think its also silver plated vs tin of the regular wire.  Its really nice stuff..
Title: Re: Can I use the leftover wires from Crack for Speedball upgrade?
Post by: cddc on December 07, 2016, 08:17:21 AM
Yes these are tight but do fit the Speedball boards, so you could use them.
For ease of installation i would recommend using the wiring supplied with Speedball.
This also helps when you would like to replace the original Speedball boards for upgrades in the future.

Great, thank you so much for your advice Tom-s!
Title: Re: Can I use the leftover wires from Crack for Speedball upgrade?
Post by: cddc on December 07, 2016, 08:24:43 AM
I think the Speedball hook up wiring is Teflon coated and the thicker 20awg that comes with the Crack is not and the jacket can melt back a bit when soldering if not careful.

Sweet, thanks Jamie. It's good to know.

Crack wires are of high quality. Among the numerous Crack wires I only melted back one or two of them a little bit, no big issues.

I am still thinking the quality of conductivity is the most important thing.
Title: Re: Can I use the leftover wires from Crack for Speedball upgrade?
Post by: cddc on December 07, 2016, 08:30:04 AM
Correct its PTFE vs regular PVC and has a much higher melting point.  I think its also silver plated vs tin of the regular wire.  Its really nice stuff..

Thank you very much for the details about the wires in Crack vs SB.

Melting is not a big concern to me as stated above.

The silver plating (vs tin) definitely helps, but not that much IMHO (unless the SB wires are pure silver).

I still think the thicker Crack wires will have better conductivity.
Title: Re: Can I use the leftover wires from Crack for Speedball upgrade?
Post by: fullheadofnothing on December 07, 2016, 09:19:23 AM
I still think the thicker Crack wires will have better conductivity.

The longest wire in a Speedball 1.1 is 2 3/4".  That length of 22AWG wire has a resistance of 0.004Ω. 20AWG wire has a resistance of 0.002Ω
Title: Re: Can I use the leftover wires from Crack for Speedball upgrade?
Post by: cddc on December 07, 2016, 09:37:43 AM
The longest wire in a Speedball 1.1 is 2 3/4".  That length of 22AWG wire has a resistance of 0.004Ω. 20AWG wire has a resistance of 0.002Ω

So accurate measures...you are scientist...lol

Thank you very much!
Title: Re: Can I use the leftover wires from Crack for Speedball upgrade?
Post by: Paul Birkeland on December 08, 2016, 10:32:34 AM
40 AWG wire would be sufficient for installing the Speedball.  We provide the Teflon coated wire for the Speedball because the jacket won't melt and the thin jacket makes wire routing easier.