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Title: 1 LED lights up immediately after turning it on, smoke from one of the 270ohm 5w
Post by: Jimb0 on August 19, 2019, 09:11:11 PM
Getting some issues with my build. The D2 LED on the right high current c4s board lights up immediately when I turn it on. After a few moments the 270ohm 5 w resistor on the right side started smoking. I turned it off immediately after that.

Picture 2 shows the smoking resistor
Picture 4 shows the LED that lights up (the top right D2 is the one that lights up first)

Title: Re: 1 LED lights up immediately after turning it on, smoke from one of the 270ohm 5w
Post by: Jimb0 on August 19, 2019, 09:14:04 PM
test
Title: Re: 1 LED lights up immediately after turning it on, smoke from one of the 270ohm 5w
Post by: Jimb0 on August 19, 2019, 09:15:55 PM
pics
Title: Re: 1 LED lights up immediately after turning it on, smoke from one of the 270ohm 5w
Post by: Paul Birkeland on August 20, 2019, 04:38:40 AM
I would remove the wire going to IA on the right high current C4S board, then test the left channel of the amp to be sure everything fires up as it's supposed to.

To get behavior like that, there has to be a miswire or an improperly placed component on the high current C4S board, as the current drawn certainly does not appear to be regulated!
Title: Re: 1 LED lights up immediately after turning it on, smoke from one of the 270ohm 5w
Post by: Jimb0 on August 20, 2019, 11:24:27 AM
Do I need to replace the 270ohm 5w resistor?
Title: Re: 1 LED lights up immediately after turning it on, smoke from one of the 270ohm 5w
Post by: Paul Birkeland on August 20, 2019, 12:01:28 PM
Does it still measure as 270 ohms?
Title: Re: 1 LED lights up immediately after turning it on, smoke from one of the 270ohm 5w
Post by: Jimb0 on August 20, 2019, 12:22:47 PM
It's reading 245 now
Title: Re: 1 LED lights up immediately after turning it on, smoke from one of the 270ohm 5w
Post by: Jimb0 on August 20, 2019, 01:28:03 PM
I see my mistake. I switched the MJE5731A and the TIP-50's. I wasn't paying attention to this when I was soldering the parts because I assumed they were the same. Lesson learned  :D
Title: Re: 1 LED lights up immediately after turning it on, smoke from one of the 270ohm 5w
Post by: Paul Birkeland on August 20, 2019, 04:47:04 PM
I'm glad you caught this.  I would plan on throwing away the transistors that you have now and replace them with new ones.  A new PN2907 and 2N2222 would probably be a good idea as well on that board.
Title: Re: 1 LED lights up immediately after turning it on, smoke from one of the 270ohm 5w
Post by: Jimb0 on August 21, 2019, 01:38:17 PM
Hi Paul. I'm still waiting on the PN2907A and the 2N2222's but I tested it with the new 270 ohm resistor. I'm getting 0v on IA of the low current and high current c4s on the right side now. Only the left high current c4s I'm getting voltages of ~200 at IA

Is this due to those two components needing replacement?
Title: Re: 1 LED lights up immediately after turning it on, smoke from one of the 270ohm 5w
Post by: Paul Birkeland on August 21, 2019, 01:59:36 PM
I would not have fired it up without replacing all of the transistors.  You may now need another new TIP50 and MJE5731A.
Title: Re: 1 LED lights up immediately after turning it on, smoke from one of the 270ohm 5w
Post by: Jimb0 on August 22, 2019, 07:46:29 AM
Yikes, ok no problem
Title: Re: 1 LED lights up immediately after turning it on, smoke from one of the 270ohm 5w
Post by: Jimb0 on August 27, 2019, 12:42:31 PM
Hi Paul. Ok so I replaced all the transistors on the right high current c4s board and I'm getting these readings. All the voltages on the left board are ok. At the center Low Current C4S board I'm getting no voltage on OB and no voltage on the A side.

Right High Current C4S
IA 211v
OA 0v
bA 0v

IB 0v
OB 0
bB 0

Low Current C4S
IA 0v
OA 0v
KregA 1v
bRegA 0v

IB 150v
OB 0v
KregB 5v
bRegB 150v
Title: Re: 1 LED lights up immediately after turning it on, smoke from one of the 270ohm 5w
Post by: Paul Birkeland on August 27, 2019, 12:56:45 PM
Nothing is coming out of the OA side, or it could be getting shorted to ground. 

You can remove the red jumper on the bottom side of that board to take the B side C4S out of the equation, then see if the voltage at OA pops up.  It would be OK to just remove the end that's at OA. 
Title: Re: 1 LED lights up immediately after turning it on, smoke from one of the 270ohm 5w
Post by: Jimb0 on August 27, 2019, 01:23:59 PM
Still nothing at OA after removing the red jumper
Title: Re: 1 LED lights up immediately after turning it on, smoke from one of the 270ohm 5w
Post by: Paul Birkeland on August 27, 2019, 02:18:20 PM
Now remove the wire leaving OA (that goes to the terminal strip) and recheck.
Title: Re: 1 LED lights up immediately after turning it on, smoke from one of the 270ohm 5w
Post by: Jimb0 on August 27, 2019, 04:18:16 PM
still nothing PB
Title: Re: 1 LED lights up immediately after turning it on, smoke from one of the 270ohm 5w
Post by: Paul Birkeland on August 27, 2019, 06:17:08 PM
Can you post photos of the board?
Title: Re: 1 LED lights up immediately after turning it on, smoke from one of the 270ohm 5w
Post by: Jimb0 on August 27, 2019, 06:20:55 PM
Sure PB, will post them in a bit
Title: Re: 1 LED lights up immediately after turning it on, smoke from one of the 270ohm 5w
Post by: Jimb0 on August 27, 2019, 06:32:55 PM
pics
Title: Re: 1 LED lights up immediately after turning it on, smoke from one of the 270ohm 5w
Post by: Jimb0 on August 27, 2019, 06:35:53 PM
btw, one of the rings on the board for the 2n2222 came off on the bottom side but i was able to solder the top side

Also, none of the LED's light up on that board. I remember all of them use to light up when I tested it the first time around before the 270 ohm starting smoking
Title: Re: 1 LED lights up immediately after turning it on, smoke from one of the 270ohm 5w
Post by: Deke609 on August 28, 2019, 03:27:33 AM
Jimb0 - Don't know if this will help, but it's worth a shot. From your first pic of the board underside it looks like there are lots of little solder shards around the soldered legs of the transistors - they might be forming a solder bridge and shorting the legs together. Maybe try gently scraping them off.


cheers, Derek
Title: Re: 1 LED lights up immediately after turning it on, smoke from one of the 270ohm 5w
Post by: kgoss on August 28, 2019, 04:27:30 AM
Check the LED orientation.

Maybe I'm wrong, but from the pictures it appears the LEDs on the B side are in backward according to the silkscreen on the board.
Title: Re: 1 LED lights up immediately after turning it on, smoke from one of the 270ohm 5w
Post by: Paul Birkeland on August 28, 2019, 04:35:34 AM
I would recommend contacting replacement parts and asking for a new board, transistors, resistors, and heatsinks/mounting kits.  Once the traces start to lift off, getting the board to work can be more challenging. 
Title: Re: 1 LED lights up immediately after turning it on, smoke from one of the 270ohm 5w
Post by: Jimb0 on August 29, 2019, 12:05:25 PM
Will do, thanks PB