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Bottlehead Kits => Moreplay => Topic started by: Doc B. on August 18, 2020, 05:03:42 AM

Title: Our latest kit - Moreplay
Post by: Doc B. on August 18, 2020, 05:03:42 AM
We're now taking orders for the Moreplay preamp kit. You can find the story, specs and pictures at the link:

https://bottlehead.com/product/moreplay-preamplifier-kit/ (https://bottlehead.com/product/moreplay-preamplifier-kit/)
Title: Re: Our latest kit - Moreplay
Post by: Cary on August 18, 2020, 06:20:22 AM
Just ordered mine, looking forward to assembling it. Hope everyone is staying healthy.

Cary
Semi Famous Cookie Baker
Title: Re: Our latest kit - Moreplay
Post by: Doc B. on August 18, 2020, 07:29:58 AM
Thanks Cary!
Title: Re: Our latest kit - Moreplay
Post by: rockdrummer on August 18, 2020, 10:52:00 AM
Ordered mine too. Can’t wait! 

Ben
Title: Re: Our latest kit - Moreplay
Post by: Doc B. on August 18, 2020, 11:07:32 AM
Thanks Ben!

As I expected these are going fairly quickly. We have sold 5 of the initial run of 15 in the first 18 hours. If you want in on this first run it's probably best not to wait too long to order. If you can't swing it right now, no worries. There will be more runs in the future.
Title: Re: Our latest kit - Moreplay
Post by: oguinn on August 18, 2020, 01:38:36 PM
Man… I don’t need it but these kits are so fun to build. Maybe a nice garage pre. I’ll sleep on it.
Title: Re: Our latest kit - Moreplay
Post by: Doc B. on August 18, 2020, 02:23:41 PM
I’ll sleep on it.

Ouch! It gets pretty hot. By the way - Happy Birthday!
Title: Re: Our latest kit - Moreplay
Post by: Natural Sound on August 18, 2020, 03:41:33 PM
Very nice little pre-amp. I built a 12AX7/6V6 power amp in a high school electronics class circa 1978. We sheared, punched and used a break to build a sheet metal chassis for it. It was a lot of fun. Eventually I gave the amp to a good friend of mine that turned it into a beautiful practice amp for his guitar. Naturally I got a bit nostalgic when I saw your announce for this amp.

Is it safe to assume that there will be Bottlehead enhancements forthcoming? i.e. Stepped attenuator, c4s etc.?

I fall into the category of not really needing another pre-amp but you have my attention. And with the lingering COVID restrictions your timing is impeccable.
Title: Re: Our latest kit - Moreplay
Post by: Paul Birkeland on August 18, 2020, 03:44:43 PM
Upgrades are indeed planned!
Title: Re: Our latest kit - Moreplay
Post by: sl-15 on August 18, 2020, 05:18:13 PM
Uh, I am tempted too! But similar to others not in need for another pre-amp, still very happy with my EF3. What are the dimensions of the Moreplay? Thanks for coming up with yet another kit!
Title: Re: Our latest kit - Moreplay
Post by: Paul Joppa on August 18, 2020, 06:02:18 PM
Dimensions are the same as FP-3, but the controls are on the long side.
Title: Re: Our latest kit - Moreplay
Post by: Stanima on August 18, 2020, 07:54:59 PM
I'm wanting to add a tube sound to my otherwise solid state system.
Would this be a good way to go about it? Running my speakers as well as low and high-impedance headphones is essential. My current system consists of an SMSL SP200, SMSL M200 and an Emotiva a100.
Thanks a lot guys!
Title: Re: Our latest kit - Moreplay
Post by: FS on August 19, 2020, 06:27:29 AM
Hi Doc,

Are you guys also working on a new affordable poweramp that would go along with the Moreplay? I was looking for something similar to the Smash/Seductor combination. If so, what is the approx. time frame? I had originally planned on getting two Seductors and wiring them as monoblocks, but it got discontinued before I could pounce on a second Seductor kit...I have a maxed-out Smash that is looking for some buddies... :)
Thanks!
FS
Title: Re: Our latest kit - Moreplay
Post by: Paul Birkeland on August 19, 2020, 06:30:38 AM
Running my speakers as well as low and high-impedance headphones is essential.
The Moreplay would sit happily behind your power amp, but it is not suitable for driving headphones.
Title: Re: Our latest kit - Moreplay
Post by: oguinn on August 19, 2020, 07:06:22 AM
Ouch! It gets pretty hot. By the way - Happy Birthday!

Thank you!
Title: Re: Our latest kit - Moreplay
Post by: AstromanoftheFuture on August 19, 2020, 07:55:36 AM
Hi Doc,

Are you guys also working on a new affordable poweramp that would go along with the Moreplay? I was looking for something similar to the Smash/Seductor combination. If so, what is the approx. time frame? I had originally planned on getting two Seductors and wiring them as monoblocks, but it got discontinued before I could pounce on a second Seductor kit...I have a maxed-out Smash that is looking for some buddies... :)
Thanks!
FS

I was wondering this myself! I missed out on the Seductor (and have been looking for one on the used market!). If I remember correctly that kit wasn’t a big seller, so maybe an “entry level” tube power amp just isn’t in the cards...
Title: Re: Our latest kit - Moreplay
Post by: Doc B. on August 19, 2020, 08:38:33 AM
The entry level amp has been the Bottlehead battle of the ages. I keep rejecting everything the guys come up with that is truly a budget price, I'm sure to their frustration. But we're not giving up.
Title: Re: Our latest kit - Moreplay
Post by: FS on August 19, 2020, 12:40:36 PM
Thanks Doc. So what was wrong with the Seductor? Was it just low sales? I think that it is a great package, sounds very beefy when compared to my Stereomour.  :)
I love it. And the use of affordable tubes really appeals to me. I would be reluctant to take out a second mortgage just to get another 45... ;) And the amp really heats my library too, which is a bonus in winter... :P
Cheers,
FS
Title: Re: Our latest kit - Moreplay
Post by: Natural Sound on August 19, 2020, 01:42:54 PM
The entry level amp has been the Bottlehead battle of the ages. I keep rejecting everything the guys come up with that is truly a budget price, I'm sure to their frustration. But we're not giving up.

IMHO You hit a good price point with this pre-amp. I hope you sell a ton of them.
Title: Re: Our latest kit - Moreplay
Post by: AB2KH on August 21, 2020, 10:54:58 AM
Doc, PB,

Does the balance control have a center detent or are the wipers on a continuous track?

Thanks,
Chris/AB2KH
Title: Re: Our latest kit - Moreplay
Post by: Paul Birkeland on August 21, 2020, 12:02:21 PM
It's continuous.
Title: Re: Our latest kit - Moreplay
Post by: Doc B. on August 21, 2020, 02:12:49 PM
Quote
Thanks Doc. So what was wrong with the Seductor? Was it just low sales?

Yes, sales were a little too slow to justify the space the inventory took up. And as we have worked to make our program more efficient in the past year (it's just Eileen and I packing kits these days and parts inventory has been beefed up considerably) we have to consider the best use of our more limited labor. That becomes more efficient when we can focus time spent on a good sized run of a single kit product rather than onsey-twosies of some of the slower selling products.
Title: Re: Our latest kit - Moreplay
Post by: Nignoog on August 23, 2020, 04:58:32 AM
I am the proud own of a Bottlehead Crack and I am intrigued by the Moreplay for my solid state headphone amp. Eventually, I want to get a speaker amp and use the Moreplay for that as well. For someone who is somewhat ignorant to the function of a tube preamp, what type of sonic change could one expect with this? Is it more volume? Clarity? Warmth? Thanks so much!
Title: Re: Our latest kit - Moreplay
Post by: Nignoog on August 30, 2020, 04:39:01 PM
If someone has a chance, I would love an answer to my questions above. I am having a hard time finding resources online, so I'd welcome the opportunity to learn from you. Thanks.
Title: Re: Our latest kit - Moreplay
Post by: Paul Birkeland on August 30, 2020, 04:42:26 PM
Hmm, I had thought I posted an answer, but I suppose not.

The Moreplay isn't necessarily a good fit ahead of a solid state headphone amp, as the extra gain wouldn't be particularly helpful in any way that I could think of. 

With a speaker amp (tube or solid state), then you would get some extra warmth and tubiness out of the Moreplay and the extra gain can be helpful as well if you need it. 
Title: Re: Our latest kit - Moreplay
Post by: rockdrummer on September 02, 2020, 10:39:21 AM
Hello, I’m excited regardless because of this piece. But is it an upgrade from the Quickie to the new Moreplay? My quickie started giving me fits and I am hoping this is a jump up.

Now I need to look back on how I finished they base for my stereomour l. I can’t remember🤔

Ben
Title: Re: Our latest kit - Moreplay
Post by: Doc B. on September 02, 2020, 11:55:57 AM
Yes it is a definite step up in terms of flexibility and ease of use. Sonically I would say they are equal with slightly different character. The Quickie is a little more lush and full bodied, the Moreplay is a little more resolving with extra good imaging. That said they are both tube preamps and are fundamentally more alike than different.
Title: Re: Our latest kit - Moreplay
Post by: rockdrummer on September 02, 2020, 12:10:44 PM
Great to hear!  I am looking for the most imaging I can get.

Thanks
Ben
Title: Re: Our latest kit - Moreplay
Post by: ejb14 on September 14, 2020, 02:31:10 PM
This kit is very attractive/exciting..

I listen to headphones (HD-650s) a lot on my S.E.X. 3.0 amp; I currently am using a Heron VTSP-1A preamp with the S.E.X. amp, and the two work very well together. I wouldn't expect the Moreplay to "outdo" the Heron - but I love building my own stuff and then upgrading it over time.

Two questions:
1. Would the Moreplay work well with the S.E.X. 3.0, particularly though the headphone output?
2. Could I add another input to the Moreplay later on if I wanted to (I run two turntables, a DAC, and a tuner)

Thanks and keep up the good work!
-Ed
Title: Re: Our latest kit - Moreplay
Post by: Paul Birkeland on September 14, 2020, 02:43:18 PM
Sure, you could put a Moreplay in front of a SEX to get some extra inputs.  Adding a fourth input to the Moreplay gets to be kind of challenging, but you could purchase a Goldpoint selector switch to get that done and get the extra position on the selector switch.
Title: Re: Our latest kit - Moreplay
Post by: Jonny on September 15, 2020, 06:55:11 AM
Cant wait to get started!

Question: what is the function of the low value resistor in parallel with 2 crossed diodes and a capacitor in the power supply? Never seen an arrangement like that.
Title: Re: Our latest kit - Moreplay
Post by: Paul Birkeland on September 15, 2020, 12:04:56 PM
That gives a little bit of separation between the audio ground and earth, which is especially helpful in avoiding noise if you plug a computer into the input of the preamp.
Title: Re: Our latest kit - Moreplay
Post by: Cary on September 15, 2020, 01:34:52 PM
Just received my kit today! I hope to paint the top plate tomorrow, weather permitting.

Cary
Title: Re: Our latest kit - Moreplay
Post by: rockdrummer on September 17, 2020, 04:03:46 AM
Got mine yesterday. Packed perfectly, got all parts and have the base glued and can’t wait to get home today to start on the bell cover. It will be painted white and the base stained ebony just like my original stereomour.

Thanks Bottlehead. Love the hat too!!!
Ben