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Title: First startup ... Pls Help!
Post by: mlineHK on March 24, 2022, 05:36:12 AM
just  completed all the terminal checks and all readings are good according to the manual.   once I plug in the power cord to the extension cord with the switch of the socket switched off the wall socket fuse jumped.  all visuals soldering are solid and I wired the transformer at 219-225v configuration after measurement.  anyone can help?
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Post by: Paul Birkeland on March 24, 2022, 05:42:29 AM
How did your power supply test go? (Page 52)
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Post by: mlineHK on March 24, 2022, 05:49:07 AM
says 223v
Title: Re: First startup ... Pls Help!
Post by: mlineHK on March 24, 2022, 05:53:14 AM
o damn it, I skipped that test. 
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Post by: mlineHK on March 24, 2022, 05:55:30 AM
is there a way to redo the test properly now?
Title: Re: First startup ... Pls Help!
Post by: mlineHK on March 24, 2022, 06:01:58 AM
disconnecting 275 2 reds and 1 black , also disconnect 6.3v 1red and 1 black, should be able to redo the power supply test ?
Title: Re: First startup ... Pls Help!
Post by: mlineHK on March 24, 2022, 06:10:01 AM
same thing, once plugged in the wall socket fuse jumps.  at page 51 step.
Title: Re: First startup ... Pls Help!
Post by: mlineHK on March 24, 2022, 06:37:19 AM
just disconnected the entire pt11 board out and try again the voltage test.  same thing the wall socket fuse jumped.
Title: Re: First startup ... Pls Help!
Post by: mlineHK on March 24, 2022, 07:30:41 AM
just found out only if te switch is flipped to power side the wall socket fuse won't jump.  I have changed cable and rebuild the switch cable and what can be wrong ? can u check the photos?   thanks very much.
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Post by: Thermioniclife on March 24, 2022, 07:49:01 AM
You have a dead short to ground at the 3 position terminal strip at the power transformer. re read those steps and correct that.
Title: Re: First startup ... Pls Help!
Post by: mlineHK on March 24, 2022, 07:02:15 PM
Tks so much good catch. I will redo it today. I have used the wrong 3 terminal plate instead of the 5 cut to 3.
Title: Re: First startup ... Pls Help!
Post by: mlineHK on March 24, 2022, 11:07:50 PM
tks for the time and input to answer.  all good now except the kreg A side reading is 1v instead of 10-12v.  b side is fine at 10v.  any though?
Title: Re: First startup ... Pls Help!
Post by: Paul Birkeland on March 25, 2022, 05:36:43 AM
IA, Breg, and OB are all OK on both sides but you have 1V at KregB? Those results are not probable.
Title: Re: First startup ... Pls Help!
Post by: mlineHK on March 25, 2022, 06:38:19 AM
Yes I have check twice. But I shall do it again tmr and post photo of each reading.
Title: Re: First startup ... Pls Help!
Post by: Paul Birkeland on March 25, 2022, 01:47:59 PM
It's incredibly unlikely to have 1V at a Kreg terminal and both Breg terminals reading correctly.
Title: Re: First startup ... Pls Help!
Post by: mlineHK on March 25, 2022, 10:47:01 PM
Here are the readings.
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Post by: Paul Birkeland on March 26, 2022, 04:31:41 AM
Can you just type them up into a nice list? It looks like you have at least one Breg that's 300V.
Title: Re: First startup ... Pls Help!
Post by: mlineHK on March 26, 2022, 04:32:33 AM
Working fine tho. Tks.
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Post by: Paul Birkeland on March 26, 2022, 04:40:10 AM
It's not a good idea to use an amp that doesn't pass its voltage checks.  This can damage your amplifier and/or headphones.
Title: Re: First startup ... Pls Help!
Post by: mlineHK on March 26, 2022, 04:49:03 AM
IA Side A [275v] 304v
IA Side B [275v] 306v
+275v DC [275v] 306v
+6.3vDC [55-65v] 59v
-6.3vDC [55-65v] 53v
BregA [220v] 304v/ Breg B [220v] 303v
-reg A [0v] 0v / reg B [0v] 0v
Kreg A [8-12v] 1.32v / Kreg B [8-12v] 1.29v
Title: Re: First startup ... Pls Help!
Post by: mlineHK on March 26, 2022, 04:50:36 AM
thanks paul for having patience with me.  here u go and hope we can find out and correct the problems.
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Post by: Paul Birkeland on March 26, 2022, 05:02:42 AM
Neither of your high voltage regulators are working appropriately. Are you able to set the bias voltage for each 6C45P as directed in the manual?
Title: Re: First startup ... Pls Help!
Post by: mlineHK on March 26, 2022, 05:41:13 AM
yes i was able to set both the bias to 145v.
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Post by: Paul Birkeland on March 26, 2022, 05:44:32 AM
What are OA and OB on the center PC board?

The 1V at Kreg and 300V at Breg means the 12AU7 in the middle is sucking down nearly limitless current.  The simplest way for this to happen would be a wiring error on the high current C4S boards. 
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Post by: mlineHK on March 26, 2022, 06:19:59 AM
i am not sure what u mean by the OA & OB on the center pc board.   the OA connection of the center pc board is a white wire connected to C1.  the OB is connected to A6 if thats what u mean .
Title: Re: First startup ... Pls Help!
Post by: mlineHK on March 26, 2022, 06:29:13 AM
OA 1.6V / OB 1.9v on the center pc board.
Title: Re: First startup ... Pls Help!
Post by: Paul Birkeland on March 26, 2022, 06:40:07 AM
Can you unscrew each of the big C4S boards and post a photo of the bottoms of those boards?
Title: Re: First startup ... Pls Help!
Post by: mlineHK on March 26, 2022, 06:45:16 AM
Here.
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Post by: Paul Birkeland on March 26, 2022, 07:23:50 AM
I would add some solder and a lot more heat to all the solder joints on those boards except the ones where LEDs connect.
Title: Re: First startup ... Pls Help!
Post by: mlineHK on March 26, 2022, 05:43:32 PM
ok thanks let me try that first and retest the V.
Title: Re: First startup ... Pls Help!
Post by: mlineHK on March 26, 2022, 08:00:53 PM
hi Paul,

these r the results after re-solder every contact on all 3 boards.


IA A and B 274v
6.3 57v
-6.3 52v
275 275v
Biasing 1.45v


Breg A 273v
Breg B 216v
Kreg A 1.18v
Kreg B 10.66v
OA 1.76v
OB 2.02v
Title: Re: First startup ... Pls Help!
Post by: Paul Birkeland on March 27, 2022, 05:40:09 AM
Resoldering your connections brought one side into proper operation.  I would suggest that you also resolder the center PC board and perhaps that will fix the other side.
Title: Re: First startup ... Pls Help!
Post by: mlineHK on March 27, 2022, 06:13:52 AM
That's what I thot and I have done re soldering the middle board as well. I will redo again and see. 
Title: Re: First startup ... Pls Help!
Post by: Paul Birkeland on March 27, 2022, 06:15:51 AM
You could also replace the 431 regulator on the side with the very low Kreg voltage.
Title: Re: First startup ... Pls Help!
Post by: mlineHK on March 27, 2022, 07:05:16 AM
Thank you Paul will try to replace them.
Title: Re: First startup ... Pls Help!
Post by: Paul Birkeland on March 27, 2022, 07:19:28 AM
Thank you Paul will try to replace them.
It, you definitely don't want/need to replace the working one.
Title: Re: First startup ... Pls Help!
Post by: mlineHK on March 27, 2022, 07:34:16 AM
Yes will replace the a side one.
Title: Re: First startup ... Pls Help!
Post by: mlineHK on April 04, 2022, 07:25:33 PM
hi Paul,

after replacing the A side LM431ACZ ,  the results remain unchanged.  what do u suggest I shall do next?
Title: Re: First startup ... Pls Help!
Post by: Paul Birkeland on April 05, 2022, 04:23:46 AM
Have you reflowed all of the solder joints in the amp?
Title: Re: First startup ... Pls Help!
Post by: mlineHK on April 05, 2022, 04:47:24 AM
All joints on 3 boards only.
Title: Re: First startup ... Pls Help!
Post by: Paul Birkeland on April 05, 2022, 05:10:03 AM
I would go over the 12AU7 socket and associated terminal strips as well.
Title: Re: First startup ... Pls Help!
Post by: mlineHK on April 05, 2022, 05:15:10 AM
ok will do thanks.