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Bottlehead Kits => Legacy Kit Products => Seduction => Topic started by: Paul Joppa on January 18, 2012, 07:27:55 AM

Title: Seduction caps and tube life
Post by: Paul Joppa on January 18, 2012, 07:27:55 AM
This arose in the general forum but these comments are specific to the Seduction so I started a new thread. (original thread is now in the Seduction  forum as well,2529.0.html (,2529.0.html)- Doc B.)

The capacitors in the RIAA network (0.033uF, 0.01uF, and 0.0012uF) are 5% and should only be replaced with equal or better precision. The interstage and output caps (0.1uF and 0.47uF) do not need to be precise and can be replaced with 10% precision. The output cap (0.47uF) can be replaced with a larger value such as 1.0uF (used in Eros); above 1.0uF you will see diminishing returns.

The tube life *should* be quite long. Of course, not all tubes are created equal, YMMV, and all that. Aside from manufactured quality, the biggest known determinants of tube life are plate and heater voltages. In Seduction, the plate voltage is low enough to be no problem. You can check the heater voltage, which is designed to be 6.0 +/- 0.3v. This is tighter and more precise than the specified 6.3 +/- 0.6v for the tube. I chose this target to help keep the tube quiet, and to extend its life. Below 5.7v, the space charge is small and there is more possibility of cathode poisoning; above 6.3v the heater wears out more quickly and there is a greater possibility of grid emission.

If the voltage is outside the target, there are two ways to adjust it, use a different tube or change the 1.2 ohm resistor in the power supply. Here is a table of resistor values - you may need to experiment but these should be good starting points:

Tube type69226H23Pi73086DJ8
Current, mA300310335365
Power Line Voltage
1100.68 ohms0.680.470.47
Title: Re: Seduction caps and tube life
Post by: Grainger49 on January 18, 2012, 08:10:45 AM

Excellent information!  I'm probably part of the reason you posted.

Quite possibly, and very likely, I have replaced my tubes more often than necessary.  I'm always looking to roll tubes. 
Title: Re: Seduction caps and tube life
Post by: Pfenning on January 18, 2012, 09:55:16 AM
Thanks to both of you guys. This is exactly the help I needed.

Title: Re: Seduction caps and tube life
Post by: Dr. Toobz on January 18, 2012, 12:18:18 PM
Is there any benefit to going up to 1uF for the output coupling caps, other than being able to drive a little bit more cable? I can't imagine that the difference in frequency response/bass rolloff would be that significant. I ask because I have some 1uF film caps of various makes laying around, and I've wondered if there is any benefit to swapping these in for the stock "orange drops" since things already sound fine as-is.
Title: Re: Seduction caps and tube life
Post by: Paul Joppa on January 18, 2012, 03:42:44 PM
If you are driving a preamp with a low input impedance - say, less than 20K - then the larger cap can make an audible difference. I specify 50K minimum load for full performance, but we have tried it at 15K with quite acceptable performance. I would definitely not go below 10K though.

In certain circumstances, it is possible that it will produce slightly less hum. But note that, in other circumstances and with some caps, it could go the other way.
Title: Re: Seduction caps and tube life
Post by: Laudanum on January 19, 2012, 02:46:38 AM
I asked a similiar question before my build.  I got the green light from Paul so I used 1.0uF in my Seduction build (Obbligato golds).  It made a bit of difference (bass) when I built my Cornet 10 years ago but I cant say it made a difference with Seduction as I never tried the .47 first.   They are in different systems anyway.  Cornet feeds a hybrid integrated of which Im not sure of the imput impedance.  Seduction feeds a non extended version FPIII.
Title: Re: Seduction caps and tube life
Post by: fullheadofnothing on May 26, 2012, 08:09:00 AM
I've been meaning to bump this thread and nominate it for sticky status for a long time.

I used to have mains voltage around 126. My first pair of 6922s died in less than a year of relatively light usage (maybe 10hrs/week). I ended up picking up some 6DJ8s that I used for a while without incident. After moving cross country, my voltage is now around 118, which excited me to no end because that's close to the 117 that my turntable wants to see and it will now run on speed without any interventions. When I first setup my system, I plugged in some 6922s that I had to not use up life on my "fancy tubes" while I dialed things in. Then I saw Paul's post and realized I had done something smarter than I intended. As it ruminated in my mind, I thought about that first pair of 6922s and realized I had accidentally proved the theory by experiment!

The lesson here is: measure your voltage and heed the tremendous wisdom at the top of this thread!