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Title: O/T: Higgs boson found today?
Post by: Jim R. on July 04, 2012, 03:18:57 PM
Pretty amazing stuff:

http://www.dailycamera.com/cu-news/ci_21006114/eureka-physicists-including-cu-boulder-researchers-celebrate-evidence

-- Jim
Title: Re: O/T: Higgs boson found today?
Post by: porcupunctis on July 04, 2012, 03:23:12 PM
I have been following the news from the LHC for years with my math students.  I am very excited about the recent announcements.
Title: Re: O/T: Higgs boson found today?
Post by: debk on July 04, 2012, 03:24:47 PM
It's very amazing.  A great day for particle physics.
It's also very cool that Peter Higgs was at CERN for the announcement


Deb
Title: Re: O/T: Higgs boson found today?
Post by: Sh7eleven on July 04, 2012, 04:12:05 PM
wow, Interestingly scientists have also speculated that further research will allow them to disrupt the associated higgs-boson field, the first practical use of which will be to lower the impedence of the Crack to allow use with 32 ohm headphones! 
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Post by: earwaxxer on July 04, 2012, 04:36:40 PM
cool to see fellow bottleheads are as nerdy as me. This stuff blows my mind!
Title: Re: O/T: Higgs boson found today?
Post by: debk on July 04, 2012, 06:00:41 PM
wow, Interestingly scientists have also speculated that further research will allow them to disrupt the associated higgs-boson field, the first practical use of which will be to lower the impedence of the Crack to allow use with 32 ohm headphones! 

That will only work when hooked up to the new Bottlehead tube buffered particle accelerator
Title: Re: O/T: Higgs boson found today?
Post by: John Roman on July 04, 2012, 10:26:34 PM
Good one Debra!
Title: Re: O/T: Higgs boson found today?
Post by: John Swenson on July 05, 2012, 07:33:15 PM
wow, Interestingly scientists have also speculated that further research will allow them to disrupt the associated higgs-boson field, the first practical use of which will be to lower the impedence of the Crack to allow use with 32 ohm headphones! 

That will only work when hooked up to the new Bottlehead tube buffered particle accelerator

Tubes ARE particle accelerators! Just a few EV short of CERN....

John S.
Title: Re: O/T: Higgs boson found today?
Post by: grufti on July 05, 2012, 07:56:13 PM
A few TeV maybe?



Tubes ARE particle accelerators! Just a few EV short of CERN....

John S.
Title: Re: O/T: Higgs boson found today?
Post by: dbishopbliss on July 06, 2012, 04:06:28 AM
I dropped my Higgs boson the other day.  I was hoping someone would find it.
Title: Re: O/T: Higgs boson found today?
Post by: 4krow on July 11, 2012, 12:51:29 PM
DAM! Now we have to rethink our thinking about what we thought. I'm stickin' with old school, where Pluto is still a planet 'n stuff like that. My world was flat 'till Gundry screwed it up.
Title: Re: O/T: Higgs boson found today?
Post by: Doc B. on July 11, 2012, 01:01:14 PM
My favorite Higgs joke so far -

 "The Higgs Boson walks into a Catholic Church. Priest says "What are you doing here?" HB says "You can't have mass without me."
Title: Re: O/T: Higgs boson found today?
Post by: Jim R. on July 11, 2012, 01:15:00 PM
You guys are funny!

Nonetheless, as a guy who cut his engineering teeth in high energy physics research, this is totally fascinating to me and I have a very real sense of what things must have been like at CERN and for all the scientists, engineers and tecs involved.

I've heard it said that our scientific breaktrhoughs are happening at a very accelerated pace these days -- probably due in most part to a polymerization effect of knowledge building, but also because of increased computer processing, cloud computing, etc.  It wasn't but a few months ago that somebody found something faster than light and thus rendered the theory of relativity more or less invalid.

Maybe one day we'll know why different audio cables sound like they do :-).

-- Jim
Title: Re: O/T: Higgs boson found today?
Post by: Grainger49 on July 11, 2012, 03:17:37 PM
Jim,

You made me laugh.  My wife said, "What?"  I had to explain.  She has a math degree, stuff I didn't want to know about.  She knows about cables being different and because she hasn't been around stuff in the 115dB volume level I ask her to listen for me when I'm making comparisons.  She often says the same thing I do.
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Post by: earwaxxer on July 12, 2012, 05:07:25 AM
wow - I want a wife like that!
Title: Re: O/T: Higgs boson found today?
Post by: Grainger49 on July 12, 2012, 05:08:40 AM
Can't have her.  I know she is a keeper.
Title: Re: O/T: Higgs boson found today?
Post by: 2wo on July 12, 2012, 07:36:41 PM
At a 115db I bet the conversation goes something like this...

"What?"

"What?"

"Turn it down"

"What?"

"Wait let me turn it down"

"What?"

 ;)...John
Title: Re: O/T: Higgs boson found today?
Post by: Grainger49 on July 13, 2012, 02:16:21 AM
There are no conversations, you just point.  It requires ear plugs and muffs. You are not to work for over 1/2 hour in the area without leaving for 10 minutes.  It was a compressor room with four 1750 Hp medium voltage motors running single stage air compressors for process air in a non-woven mill.
Title: Re: O/T: Higgs boson found today?
Post by: John Roman on July 15, 2012, 03:18:25 PM
1750 hp? Something that big turning single stage would generate some serious thump. What an environment to deal with! A company I used to be associated with handled a "Joy centrifugal" air compressor used in large natural gas power plants.  It generated oil free air, was run non stop (zero maintenance) from initial start until taken off line. At approximately 10,000 hp it was installed in it's own building that was specifically designed for the equipment. A truly awesome piece of equipment to see and hear running.
John
Title: Re: O/T: Higgs boson found today?
Post by: Grainger49 on July 16, 2012, 12:54:32 AM
Joy is well known to K-C.  They are used extensively in Wisconsin.  But not as big as 10,000 Hp.
Title: Re: O/T: Higgs boson found today?
Post by: 4krow on July 16, 2012, 09:49:37 AM
 I remember working in a factory when I was a kid(6), and they had NO hearing protection!!! I was the first one to put wet tissue in my ears. Sounds were such that you felt higher freq on your clothes. It was wonder that everyone there wasn't deaf.
 I also recall a father of a friend of mine took us to the gas processing plant. Like Grainger says, you wore ear plugs and muffs. So amazingly loud(mostly low freq). The giant building shook from it all.
Title: Re: O/T: Higgs boson found today?
Post by: STURMJ on July 16, 2012, 07:21:41 PM
I worked in a lab using a ultra-centrifuge (separating proteins).  The amazing thing about is was, that while the Tach read 100,000rpms, all you could hear was the 12V cooling fans running.  I took a stethoscope to the lid and only a heard slight vibration, sounding like bearings.  The service tech came one day and I learned that the spinning chamber and motor ran in a vacuum.  I was a frustrating piece, usually you can hear that something is doing its thing, this thing sounded like it was turned on, but was spinning a motor 100Krpm.   The head was a single piece of machined titanium and the spin chamber was 1/2in armor plate stainless steel, in case the head ever failed. The rep said he had seen video of head fail tests and the whole device danced around a room for quite a while. 
The power supply was also very interesting. The motor had to be fed multi channels out of phase of each other in order to get to 100K rpm. This device is a desk top sized instrument, its amazing all this technology was in there.
Title: Re: O/T: Higgs boson found today?
Post by: dbishopbliss on July 17, 2012, 04:35:46 AM
My favorite Higgs joke so far -

 "The Higgs Boson walks into a Catholic Church. Priest says "What are you doing here?" HB says "You can't have mass without me."

The next day, a Neutrino walked into the Catholic Church...  then walks out disappointed.  Why?
Title: Re: O/T: Higgs boson found today?
Post by: Grainger49 on July 17, 2012, 05:59:49 AM
STRUMJ,

Is that video of the centrifuge dancing around the room on You-tube?

David, I'm going to guess a neutrino has no mass?  We didn't study neutrinos in the 50s and 60s (grade school and high school).
Title: Re: O/T: Higgs boson found today?
Post by: earwaxxer on July 17, 2012, 12:53:44 PM

The next day, a Neutrino walked into the Catholic Church...  then walks out disappointed.  Why?

When he saw what was supposed to be the 'transubstantiation' he yelled out "HEY, thats my move!"
Title: Re: O/T: Higgs boson found today?
Post by: Jim R. on July 17, 2012, 02:28:58 PM
Sturmj,

We had a similar device at the plasma physics lab -- a 100,000k rotating device that held two thin plates with slightly offset nanoholes in it.  This one was in a vacuum too and was magnetically suspended.  The instrument was meant to allow one single electron to go through the nanoholes at a time into a detector to measure it's velocity.  This told somebody something important about what was going on inside that plasma, but I have no idea what. :-)

-- Jim
Title: Re: O/T: Higgs boson found today?
Post by: 2wo on July 18, 2012, 04:33:44 AM
"This told somebody something important about what was going on, but I have no idea what. :-)"

I get that a lot in my line of work ;D...John
Title: Re: O/T: Higgs boson found today?
Post by: STURMJ on July 20, 2012, 07:25:32 AM
The dancing centrifuge discussion was way before you-tube, and slightly before widespread internet access.  I never looked (maybe I will now  ;D). The device was made by Beckman (now Beckman-Coulter). I would guess that these were internal tests to see how dangerous their product would be under failure conditions, thus it's unlikely they would be released publicly. Not that this thing was unsafe, I would rather dodge the whole machine than shrapnel generated by the titanium head (keep in mind that's in a 1/2 armor plate case.) 
Title: Re: O/T: Higgs boson found today?
Post by: Grainger49 on July 20, 2012, 09:03:18 AM
Getting back to Higgs Boson, this means we have seen Warp 1.  I can hear Scotty saying, "Captain, the engines, I don't think they can take it any more!"