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General Category => Music => Topic started by: azrockitman on August 01, 2013, 07:26:27 PM
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man, love this album and I haven't listened to it for at least 15 years. Fly on a windshield. jee zuz
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I like disc 1 a lot! In fact I use it whenever testing new changes to the system.
Not too crazy with the second disc, however.
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I love that album!
I used to listen to it all the time while doing surgery until my staff got tired of it and made me change it.
Deb
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That was the last Genesis album that Peter Gabriel did vocals on. And to many it was the beginning of the end for the classic progressive Genesis sound. That sound was on life support for the next two albums, A Trick of the Tail and Wind & Wuthering. Held together in my humble opinion by one of the most underrated guitar players of all time, Steve Hackett.
I know I'll get blasted for saying this, but here goes. The day that Phil Collins stepped out from behind the drum-kit and took over on vocals, Genesis started to die. Shortly after Hackett left the band the band took a strange turn from being a great prog rock band to a mediocre radio pop hit band. That's just one mans opinion. You know what they about opinions. ;)
Back to Steve Hackett for a minute. If you enjoyed the older prog rock Genesis stuff you owe it to yourself to check out the album Genesis Revisited II. It has a lot of great classic Genesis songs including Fly on a windshield and one of my favorites Supper's Ready weighing in at just under 24 minutes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesis_Revisited_II (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesis_Revisited_II)
Back in April I went on "Cruise To The Edge" and had the opportunity to meet Steve Hackett. We had breakfast actually. He said that people ask him all the time, "Why do you keep playing these old songs." His reply was that it took him 40 years to make them perfect. He was of course joking a little. But he did go on to say that when they recorded a lot of this material the process was very rushed. Steve always wanted more time in the studio to, "get it right." So that's what he did, 40 years later and the result is spectacular. Genesis Revisited II is the best of the best and it is a very nicely mastered recording.
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. . . I used to listen to it all the time while doing surgery until my staff got tired of it and made me change it.
Deb
Deb is a cutter!
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Natural Sound: Great recommendation. I had no idea about that album and I'll definitely take a listen. The first time I heard LLDOB, I was over at a friends house after a day of classes, and we were, um relaxed, and when fly on a windshield started, and then progressed, well, dude, it blew. my. mind. 8)
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Great album! Agree with the above... Count me as another "old" Genesis groupie.
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. . . I used to listen to it all the time while doing surgery until my staff got tired of it and made me change it.
Deb
Deb is a cutter!
I am an eye surgeon, I don't think anyone ever called me a cutter! :)
I'll have to check out Genesis Revisited II, thanks for the recommendation
Deb
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I was so pleased to read your astute review of things Genesis and Hackett too. I saw TLLDOB recreated by the tribute band "The Musical Box" and they were superb. For a real treat however, pick up the SACD 5.1 mix by Steve Wilson. Simply amazing.
That was the last Genesis album that Peter Gabriel did vocals on. And to many it was the beginning of the end for the classic progressive Genesis sound. That sound was on life support for the next two albums, A Trick of the Tail and Wind & Wuthering. Held together in my humble opinion by one of the most underrated guitar players of all time, Steve Hackett.
I know I'll get blasted for saying this, but here goes. The day that Phil Collins stepped out from behind the drum-kit and took over on vocals, Genesis started to die. Shortly after Hackett left the band the band took a strange turn from being a great prog rock band to a mediocre radio pop hit band. That's just one mans opinion. You know what they about opinions. ;)
Back to Steve Hackett for a minute. If you enjoyed the older prog rock Genesis stuff you owe it to yourself to check out the album Genesis Revisited II. It has a lot of great classic Genesis songs including Fly on a windshield and one of my favorites Supper's Ready weighing in at just under 24 minutes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesis_Revisited_II (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesis_Revisited_II)
Back in Apr il I went on "Cruise To The Edge" and had the opportunity to meet Steve Hackett. We had breakfast actually. He said that people ask him all the time, "Why do you keep playing these old songs." His reply was that it took him 40 years to make them perfect. He was of course joking a little. But he did go on to say that when they recorded a lot of this material the process was very rushed. Steve always wanted more time in the studio to, "get it right." So that's what he did, 40 years later and the result is spectacular. Genesis Revisited II is the best of the best and it is a very nicely mastered recording.
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That's the first reference I've heard of Steve Wilson....is there a single location where you can see (and or purchase) SACD's that he's had a hand in? I can only find sporadic links to a couple of the sacd's....and certainly not a new TLLDOB choice.
Thanks
Tim
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I have to say I enjoy the 2nd disc, especially side 4 (The Lamia brings tears to my eyes!). I would recommend the british pressing if you can find it. I've had mine since 1974 and it still sounds wonderful.
Here's a link to one of the last concerts of TLLDOB with Peter Gabriel. The quality is very good and shows what a great concert can sound like.
http://www.wolfgangsvault.com/genesis/concerts/shrine-auditorium-january-24-1975.html
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I darn near wore out my original LLDOB back in the late 70's. One of a handful of defining albums for me. When I sort my collection by album, Steve Hackett always comes to the top. Steve Wilson et al is close second.
The two Steves of prog.
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I think I need to upgrade my computer speakers...John
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Part way into the concert link I sent, there's a garbled spot of some sort, but then it straightens out.
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I forgot mention that Steve Hackett has his material on line for download on his website. Including 24 bit high res.
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No No no... You guys are way wrong and have completely lost your heads.... Gabriel simply cannot compare with GREATS such as Sussudio and Billy Don't Lose My Number!! Let's get serious here guys......
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Let the FLAMES begin...... :)
And I think it wasnt so much the music that freaked Deb's staff out, It was her "air" drumming on the patient's forehead that was probably the culprit....
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No No no... You guys are way wrong and have completely lost your heads.... Gabriel simply cannot compare with GREATS such as Sussudio and Billy Don't Lose My Number!! Let's get serious here guys......
:) I thought I was going to get slammed for my Phil Collins comment but it never came. Either the guys here are very tolerant, in full agreement with what I said or don't care. ;)
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No - Genesis heads don't have any fuzzies for Phil. I LOVED him as a drummer! My wife, who is 7 yrs my junior loves the Phil Genesis.
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Yeah.. Really in a nutshell, they are two different bands in which both versions can be enjoyed if one allows it...
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Yeah.. Really in a nutshell, they are two different bands in which both versions can be enjoyed if one allows it...
Agreed. Genesis actually became more successful after the departure of Peter Gabriel. I just happen to enjoy the earlier material better. As for Peter's solo career..... not so much.
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Speaking of PG, one of the single most amazing concert video DVD's is his "Growing up Live". The opening song is a little slow but after that, the entire show rocks and causes your mouth to drop open several times. It's one of the best music and theatrical pieces I've ever seen. His daughter sings on that tour with him. Highly recommended.
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Speaking of PG, one of the single most amazing concert video DVD's is his "Growing up Live". The opening song is a little slow but after that, the entire show rocks and causes your mouth to drop open several times. It's one of the best music and theatrical pieces I've ever seen. His daughter sings on that tour with him. Highly recommended.
Is that the one where Peter rides around the stage on a bicycle?
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yes, among other theatrics.
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Yes I agree about PG solo career... After Genesis, it was a little disappointing...Shock the Monkey, Sledgehammer??? Never liked it...
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my life some how skipped the classic rock stage. I honestly just listened to this this afternoon for the first time. Because of this article.
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/phish-hope-to-perform-genesis-album-with-peter-gabriel-on-halloween-20130821 (http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/phish-hope-to-perform-genesis-album-with-peter-gabriel-on-halloween-20130821)
really inviting flaming now :)
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Don't forget Brand X. I think Phil redeemed himself from his pop indulgences there.
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The interesting thing about PC is, he didn't want the lead singer gig AT ALL! He looked down on that sort of thing. He was a purest behind the kit. That's where he belonged and we all loved him there. When he was slated to be the lead singer he insisted on finding a drummer who could EXACTLY mimick his style.
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I swear I learn something new everyday on this site....and it's not all about soldering and resistors and rolling tubes... ;D
I have never heard of Brand X.....looking at the release dates, that was right when genesis (w/o Peter) was rolling forward. can't believe I never knew about that group, but now I get to discover it as if it's new.
Thanks for the comment.
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I hope nobody minds me resurrecting an old thread. I just felt that this was a great place to post a video I stumbled across. Anyone who likes old Genesis needs to see this classic. Some of the comments below the video are funny too like, "Peter Gabriel looks like a flat chested schoolgirl." :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FBcz3tBH74 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FBcz3tBH74)
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I was so pleased to read your astute review of things Genesis and Hackett too. I saw TLLDOB recreated by the tribute band "The Musical Box" and they were superb. For a real treat however, pick up the SACD 5.1 mix by Steve Wilson. Simply amazing.
Agree and agree! The Musical Box performance of TLLDOB was great and the 5.1 SACD (plus the other Gabriel era surround mixes) are simply stunning.
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Friends - if you like the music of Genesis of old, check out a band called The Musical Box. They perform three shows form three eras of early Genesis. The Lamb is the latest in time and apparently they don't do it often.
The Musical Box's presentation of the shows is faithful to the end - music, dress, and Gabriel's theatrics. It is truly amazing. The best performance is The Musical Box itself, the energy in the closing sequence is amazing.
They play here in Atlanta every couple of years and they frequently play Europe. I hope you can get to see them.
There site is themusicalbox.net