Bottlehead Forum
Other Gear => Headphones => Topic started by: denti alligator on August 19, 2014, 03:49:01 PM
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The "perfect pairings" of various brands and models of headphones with the three available Bottleheads headphone amps are floating all over this forum. I'd like to try and bring them together here. I myself have only heard one pairing (see my sig), and am curious about others. Specifications for type of music also welcome. I'll see if I can update this post with the most recommended pairings.
Tally (no. of votes in parens)
Crack
HD600s (3)
HD650s
Beyerdynamic T1
Beyerdynamic T90
Bottleheadphones (if you are on a budget)
Beyerdynamic DT770 250 ohm (closed back) (budget option)
S.E.X. HiFiMan
Grado (MS-Pro, RS1, or better)
NAD VISO HP50 (w/ SEX 2.1, set to 8 ohms)
Sony MDR-V6
Beyerdynamic T1
Mainline
HD800 with Anax mod
Paramounts/Parabee
AKG K1000s
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Here's my suggestions -
Crack - HD600s, or Bottleheadphones if you are on a budget
S.E.X. - HiFiMan, take your pick of model
Mainline - HD800 with Anax mod
Paramounts/Parabee - AKG K1000s
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Obvious pairing first, the HD600/650 and Crack. I get the impression the HD800 and mainline are of an equal pairing.
For the S.E.X. amp i would have to say Grados. Its great with my Hifiman HE500 planars, but the Grados is where the magics at.
As for type of music, my taste is rather wide and diverse but there is one rule it all conforms to, has to involve a real person playing an instrument, pretty much without exception. Though i do tend to lean more towards female vocals and jazz.
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A hot rodded Crack and the Beyerdynamic T1 make a super pairing that totally eclipse's my HD650 with vocals and acoustic music, the level of nuance texture and delicacy is a joy to hear and I really find it hard to believe what I was missing before.
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Big Pre with Sony MDR R10.
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Obvious pairing first, the HD600/650 and Crack. I get the impression the HD800 and mainline are of an equal pairing.
For the S.E.X. amp i would have to say Grados. Its great with my Hifiman HE500 planars, but the Grados is where the magics at.
As for type of music, my taste is rather wide and diverse but there is one rule it all conforms to, has to involve a real person playing an instrument, pretty much without exception. Though i do tend to lean more towards female vocals and jazz.
Which model Grado?
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I have a bunch of different models but the higher end Ms-Pros or RS1's are what i am really referring to, i.e. the wooden ones. I have never heard the GS or PS 1000's but they are on my wish list.
They have recently revamped the entire range with the "e" series so the older models can be snapped up for bargain prices second hand.
http://www.gradolabs.com/headphones/reference-series (http://www.gradolabs.com/headphones/reference-series)
http://www.alessandro-products.com/main.php?p=headphones (http://www.alessandro-products.com/main.php?p=headphones)
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Another vote for the Crack /Speedball + HD600's + Cardas replacement cable. Doc's recommendation for this threesome (in the Crack write-up, I think) is completely righteous. He didn't say "Cardas" recable, but that's what I've got. And loving it!
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I was going to go big with the Mainline, but if a Crack and the HD600s I already have are a perfect match, great. I'll start looking for something to go with the SEX. Any other recommendations besides the HiFiMan and Grado?
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I believe most Grados are very sensitive and also low impedance, so the SEX will easily overdrive them but may have hair-trigger volume control and they might show a bit of noise (hum). The latter is the reason we had the 120 ohms resistor in the earlier versions - but the Grados in general are not happy with that resistor, it messes with the bass.
Hopefully someone more knowledgeable about headphones will correct any misapprehensions in this post - I'm not a headphone guy myself.
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Good point, i should have mentioned that about possible hum issues, the 120r resistors do indeed muddy the presentation, but its easily solved with a couple of resistors in the heater supply instead.
I never had any issues with the volume control range, on the 4ohm tap anywhere from 1/3rd to 1/2 volume is the normal range i use, which is roughly the same as a HD650 running on the 8ohm tap.
If you ever want to test the background noise levels for yourself i found the Crackheadphone is slightly more sensitive than the Grados, i.e. when using the stock cable without the resistors.
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Other recommendations? I'd like to populate the list more.
(Also, maybe we can add the Quickie to the list: http://bottlehead.com/smf/index.php?topic=5746.0)
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I really like my NAD VISO HP50s with the S.E.X. 2.1 - I use it set to 8 ohms.
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Just recently I have been using the Beyerdynamic DT770 250 ohm (closed back) with the Crack in the evening. Its proving to be a decent combination and would rate it highly if on a tight budget its ability has surprised me.
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I DIYed a replacement cable for my HD600s and found it to be a significant improvement over the stock cable. I don't know how this upgrade compares with the much more expensive replacement cables from Cardas , Double Helix, etc but I really like the improvement. The cost of this cable was very resonable AND you get to make it.
The cable is Mogami 2534 microphone cable ($2 per foot from Sweetwater). The connectors to the cans were Cardas brand bought from Dedicaterd Audio LLC for $24 (this included the shipping). The Switchcraft right angle 1/4" TRS plug was from Mouser for $6.30.
The cable is four conductor (2 blue and 2 white). I twisted the two blue conductors with the metal sheathing and soldered this to the sleeve (ground) of the 1/4" TRS plug. I soldered one of the white wires to the Tip (Left) and the other to the Ring (right) of the TRS plug. At the other end I ohmed the wires to ensure I soldered the Tip to the Black (left) Cardas and the Ring to the Red (right) Cardas connector. BTW, the large pin is ground (for the blue wire) and the small pin is positive (for the white wire). I used "cable pants" at the "Y" and heat shrink to secure all of it together.
This was relatively cheap, easy and fun to do and performs much better than the stock cable.
If you have some time and curiosity this will put you back $60 -$70 dollars but you might find it worth it.
If you don't think there is sufficient improvement go ahead and spend several hundred dollars on a replacement cable from Cardas or Double Helix or elsewhere.
Here are some pictures of the finished product.
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This could be considered heresy but I've searched the world over and the best cans I've ever heard on my SEX amp are the Sony MDR-V6.
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This could be considered heresy but I've searched the world over and the best cans I've ever heard on my SEX amp are the Sony MDR-V6.
Really? What others have you compared them to?
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I know I am not alone in enjoying the Beyerdynamic T1's with the Sex
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I have used only low impedance cans with my SEX, but it sounds incredible with both my Denon D2000 and D5000. Very quiet, chrystal clear and a deep, full soundstage. I'm still able to use half of the volume control as well. I will be trying the Hifiman HE560 soon and I'm sure this will be incredible too.
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I'd like to chime in on Adrian's post. I've used the same wire (Mogami 2534) and found it to make a major change in the way the HD650's sound. I just updated a set and used the Furutech headphones ends (much easier to use but also much more expensive) and the Furutech 1/4 plug. I've also put silk sleeves over the split wires.
WOW!
This is both the older set I redid and the recent new set with the silk sleeves:
(https://forum.bottlehead.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi905.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fac253%2Fall212212%2FDSC_2833_zpsi0zf4xyj.jpg&hash=1798f7cbe8bb4f55a7202148f9eb42e0c6a6fe0c) (http://s905.photobucket.com/user/all212212/media/DSC_2833_zpsi0zf4xyj.jpg.html)
The Cardas (big monster with no built in strain relief) and Furutech 1/4 plugs.
(https://forum.bottlehead.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi905.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fac253%2Fall212212%2FDSC_2834_zpsogzt7o2c.jpg&hash=8dccd64f2c0d28dd26fac139580f509241e27fa0) (http://s905.photobucket.com/user/all212212/media/DSC_2834_zpsogzt7o2c.jpg.html)
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Beyerdynamic T1 are very good match with the Crack but I like the balance of the T90 over them. Very open so everybody else in the room hears them also
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I'm using HD700's with my upgraded Crack (w/ speedball, Mundorf output caps) and really enjoying the combo. Thinking about upgrading the cable on the phones, possibly a moon audio blue dragon. Great detail, yet still warm and has a quickness for more upbeat music when needed.
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What about Quicksand?
Maybe we have to deal with the choice of resistors for the L-pad...
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Hi,
I just finished the Mainline build. Has anyone tried the Focal Clear with this amp? Any thoughts on whether this would be a good pairing?
Thanks
AA
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I received a pair of HD 6XX and I really like them with the CRACK, with speedball upgrade and that IBM tube (and a . I find the HD 6XX to be rather delicate in the highs; detailed but with a silky finish, like a caress on some satin nightgown and haflway through the bottle of Chablis.
Your experience may vary.
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Red this interesting thread for the first time.
I would suggest to pair the quickie with decent earbuds.
K's 500 or K's 600 are both in the 110db / mW ballpark and they are pretty good (and not so expensive, between 70 and 110 USD).
They both are high impedance earbuds (500 and 600 ohm) and, IME, their sound is close to over-the-ears phones (I also have Grado gw100 and AKG phones to compare with).
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I have a modified DT770 Pro which I replaced the drivers with the 600 Ohm ones. Very good upgrade, they are kinda bright, but I bought and EQ to tone them down. Lots more detail and the bass is more tight now.