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Title: FP 2 one channel out
Post by: 1108 on April 14, 2015, 04:08:16 AM
Yes I'm still using my FP 2 I built in 2004.
Up to this point it has been working great, no issues.
When I went to use it yesterday one channel wasn't working. If I put my ear right up to the speaker, I occasionally hear a slight static buzz. It doesn't change if I increase the volume, and no other hum, buzz, ect.

So far I have:
Verified it's the FP
Checked the RCA plug
Checked the selector switch
Checked the volume pot
Checked the tube

There's no obvious signs of a failed component or broken connection.

Any suggestions on what to do next?

Thanks
Richard
Title: Re: FP 2 one channel out
Post by: Grainger49 on April 14, 2015, 04:21:02 AM
I had the same problem a few years back, my dear old FP 2 totally dead!  I didn't have any voltage out of the transformer so I posted and got a part number for a transformer from PB.  Ordered it but then discovered my solder on the power switch had fallen off.

In those days they had no holes in the lugs on the power switch.  I just "stuck it on" with solder.  I drilled a hole and resoldered it.  No problems since.

Since I told you that story, try the voltage checks.  If you don't have them I can give you guidance.

It is such a sweet sounding simple circuit we can knock it out today.
Title: Re: FP 2 one channel out
Post by: 1108 on April 14, 2015, 04:52:11 AM
Thanks Grainger.
It is a sweet sounding. After all these years I haven't found a reason to get something else.
I'll take a closer look at the connections. I should have the manual around somewhere. If I don't I'll get back to you for the info.
Thanks again.
Title: Re: FP 2 one channel out
Post by: Paul Birkeland on April 14, 2015, 06:19:52 AM
You'll really need to measure voltages to know what might be going on.

-PB

Title: Re: FP 2 one channel out
Post by: 1108 on April 14, 2015, 06:23:34 AM
working on it. looking for the manual.
Title: Re: FP 2 one channel out
Post by: 1108 on April 14, 2015, 08:20:19 AM
A8 reads 0 volts. Everything else checks out fine.
Title: Re: FP 2 one channel out
Post by: Grainger49 on April 14, 2015, 08:58:16 AM
What is the resistance reading from A8 to the ground bus?
Title: Re: FP 2 one channel out
Post by: 1108 on April 14, 2015, 09:50:24 AM
I get 30K.
Title: Re: FP 2 one channel out
Post by: Paul Birkeland on April 14, 2015, 12:00:58 PM
Do both halves of the 12AU7 light?  Can you swap tubes to see if the 0V reading switches sides?

Title: Re: FP 2 one channel out
Post by: 1108 on April 14, 2015, 12:14:09 PM
I did swap tubes and tried a couple of others, same channel didn't work.
Title: Re: FP 2 one channel out
Post by: Paul Birkeland on April 14, 2015, 12:54:45 PM
I'd check to see if both halves of the 12AU7 glow on that side.

-PB
Title: Re: FP 2 one channel out
Post by: 1108 on April 14, 2015, 03:58:47 PM
Looks like only one half of the tube on the bad side glows. I switched tubes just to confirm.
Title: Re: FP 2 one channel out
Post by: Grainger49 on April 15, 2015, 12:52:36 AM
Then check the connection at tube pins 4 and 5.  That is what jumps the two halves together.
Title: Re: FP 2 one channel out
Post by: 1108 on April 15, 2015, 02:17:31 AM
Well, 4&5 are connected and I'm getting the proper voltage. Is it possible the tube socket is bad?
Title: Re: FP 2 one channel out
Post by: Grainger49 on April 15, 2015, 06:28:55 AM
It is not very likely that the socket is bad.  But not impossible.  I would check voltage from tube pin 4 to 9 then pin 5 to 9 from the top of the socket. 

It is also possible that the tube socket is a little dirty.  Simply remove the tube and insert it a dozen times.  It is worth a try.
Title: Re: FP 2 one channel out
Post by: Paul Birkeland on April 15, 2015, 06:59:20 AM
I'd reheat the joint between 4 and 5 to be sure.  A flaky joint there will produce the issue you're describing.

Title: Re: FP 2 one channel out
Post by: Grainger49 on April 15, 2015, 09:07:55 AM
He is right.  That is quicker fix than checking for the voltages.  If indeed that is the problem.
Title: Re: FP 2 one channel out
Post by: 1108 on April 16, 2015, 01:24:38 AM
Thanks guys. I'll give that a try a little later today.
Title: Re: FP 2 one channel out
Post by: 1108 on April 20, 2015, 04:02:28 AM
Finally had the time to check the connection. Good news. The tube glows and I get music out of that channel. Grainger and PB, thanks for you help.
Title: Re: FP 2 one channel out
Post by: Grainger49 on April 20, 2015, 04:11:13 AM
Awesome!  A local tube buddy loaned me a different line stage yesterday.  I doubt it will outshine the FP 2.
Title: Re: FP 2 one channel out
Post by: 1108 on April 20, 2015, 04:42:18 AM
I'd be curious to hear your impression after you've checked it out.

A few years ago I picked up a Dynaco PAS after hearing all the hype. I did all the mods, recap,bypassed controls, rebuilt the power supply, etc, etc. It sounded good, but nearly as good as the FP.

The FP was my first build. And well, it looks like a first build. I've thought about rebuilding it. If I could find my notes about the snubbers and adding a choke I think I would. I'm still not interested in replacing it.
Title: FP 2 Tweaks
Post by: Grainger49 on April 20, 2015, 05:23:40 AM
1108, can you work from a schematic?  I can send you a schematic for snubbers and the PS choke.

I have done a few more tweaks as well.

The FP III rolled many of the online tweaks into it.
Title: Re: FP 2 one channel out
Post by: 1108 on April 20, 2015, 05:40:47 AM
Yes I can work from a schematic. Thanks for the offer. I'd be interested what other tweaks you may have done.
Title: Re: FP 2 one channel out
Post by: Grainger49 on April 20, 2015, 06:01:36 AM
You will get a PM.
Title: Re: FP 2 one channel out
Post by: 1108 on April 20, 2015, 11:17:54 AM
Looking forward to it. Thanks