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Other Gear => Digital => Topic started by: glitches on July 15, 2015, 10:43:49 AM
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Hello everyone! I just started my journey into audiophile land. I purchased a pair of HD 650s yesterday along with a Crack kit. While I'm waiting for the kit, I want to start purchasing all the other necessities before it arrives. My output device is a Macbook Pro. My research shows some decent reviews on HRT and JDS Labs DACs that I can plug into my USB. I want to make sure I have a the best setup for my Crack and headphones.
1)Do you guys have a specific DAC recommendation that will go best with my setup? 2) And while on the topic, any specific RCA cable recommendations? I hear blue jean is the way to go.
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Since the BH DAC is now officially out of production, I thought we should get some answers in this thread. I currently have a MyDAC and am wondering what a significant upgrade would entail.
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I went over to the Headfi forum to read up and ended up with more Schiit than I know what to do with :). I have a BiMBy for my Mainline/HD-800 and a BiMBy for my main system. They sound great, especially considering the price.
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I highly recommend Ayre. I have a QB-9 DSD that sounds amazing (USB only). They have a new more affordable version that is basically the same circuitry and has more interfaces. Ayre is also well known for providing product upgrades so what you buy from them doesn't become obsolete.
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+1 for the QB-9 DSD.
Jim
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Being a Bottlehead, ("Tubes & I can build it better" syndrome!), and preferring NOS DAC's, I bought a DAC2.1 from AudioNote kits. AD1865 chip and 6299 output. It has been a wonderful addition to the kit!! (Headphones are still on a modified Teradak NOS).
Cheers,
Geary
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I moved to a Leema Acoustics Elements dac using the Mainline and HD800 and thought it was a significant step up from both my Marantz and Eastern Electric Minimax dacs.
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I run with the Ibasso DX90 as a portable Dac with my Mainline/modded HD800 setup.
Today I tried the NAD C510 DAC with the DX90 as a transport and coax cable to the NAD.
I heard NO difference whatsoever. Did quick A/B (switch took a second) back and forth on several records over two solid hours.
Maybe the Ibasso is simply a steal:)
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I found the same thing when listening to onboard sound vs my Sound Blaster X-Fi USB. Once things are properly volume matched I can not tell them apart. Never heard any of the more expensive DACs, but to me the headphones just make the biggest difference in sound.
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Get your hands on a well implemented high end dac and you will hear a difference. Mostly this has to do with USB serial interface, isolation, but the digital filter implementation is key. Read hansons white paper on digital filters on the ayre website. Besides speakers, the dac is the most important component in a digital system , amps and tubes not so much IMHO of course
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I've currently got the Meridian Explorer2 from the laptop to my desktop Stereomour II system and a Schiit Bifrost multibit in the bigger system.
I'm amazed at how much better these DACs are than those of years past. Interfaces and filters have improved, but I think implementation does have character. The Meridan is clean but a bit more polite and distanced, especially with the few MQA recordings I've been able to get so far. The Bifrost is more immediate and is a bit more to my liking for that jump factor.
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What blew me away is the improvement in 44khz cd's with the recent upgrade to my Ayre. It is so nice to have all my old CD's sounding really musical. If I was going to compare DAC's today, I would want one that played CD quality as well as it plays hi-def recordings. There doesn't seem to be any problem with 44khz if the DAC does its job well.
And it is definitely more than just the chip the DAC uses. I compared an inexpensive EMU 0404 to my Ayre. Same system , cabling etc. Both have high end chipsets, one is musical the other is not.
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The NAD I tried is a 1300$ piece of equipment and no budget equipment. The Ibasso DX90 cost 380$. Both sounded very good, I just couldn't hear a difference. It maybe is strange, but maybe I'll test something even more TOTL and see if I can hear a difference...
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if you are in the SF bay area, you are welcome to come over and give my system a listen, I have compared it recently to a music fidelity ($1500?) and the purchaser and I both heard an audible difference. Whether it is worth more money is as always up to you.
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That's a very kind offer.
I am sadly more in the Oslo (Norway) bay area:)
But I will bring home other DACs for testing.
Thanks again.
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Here are two options I have had a lot of success with:
1) Schitt Bifrost - sounds great and no complaints - this is my main DAC and is hooked up to my BeePre & Paramounts.
2) Apple Airport Express - for those on a tighter budget who happen to be Apple users here is a wild card option I have also had a lot of success with. A modern Airport Express (hockey puck style) will allow for both DAC and remote TosLink output. In fact this is the DAC I use with my Stereomour. I took the gamble after reading this review http://www.kenrockwell.com/apple/airport-express-audio-quality-2014.htm and do not regret it one bit!
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I love Oslo. Travelled there on business regularly to work with tandberg. Sailed in the faerdern years ago
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Nice. Off topic, I have an old Tandberg, 2075 mk2 to repair for my dad when I get around to it...
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I've had for a couple of years the Peachtree DacIT and the Musical Fidelity Vdac II both with aftermarket, external power supplies. They are very similar performance wise although the DacIT has a sweetness to it, very musical whereas the Vdac is precise but neutral. The DacIT sounds great with my apple TV/toshlink but the Vdac with it's superior USB interface outperforms hooked up to my macbook pro/amarra. I like the simplicity of the design with Vdac II but it is kind of annoying having cables coming from both ends.
Overall, I think I actually prefer the Peachtree DacIT sound over the Vdac II.
*Just ordered a bifrost multibit :P
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Just pulled the trigger on a Gungnir Multibit.
Selling my PSX cd player to make room on the shelf:) (Avoids the questions:) )
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It's way out of my budget, but I'm eyeing the Bryston BDA-3, which can take DSD from HDMI, which is HUGE: the capability of playing SACD through an external DAC.
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I can only say from what Ive read, that it seems good.
Havent heard it though...
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Curious what you think of the multibit. Seriously impressed so far - the level of realism is unreal :)
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I received the Gumby by Fedex courier on the 21. It's been on ever since.
Just right now, sat and listened to the Tannhauser Ouverture, recovering from severe goosebumps.
I think it is something else. Like the reviewers say, not harsh, but beautifully, naturally detailed and resolved. Also impressed with how well it makes standard CD Quality files sound.
This is a permanent setup, that's for sure. It is also sleek and easy on the eyes, so it has my wife's seal of approval:)
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I was kind of on the fence of a DAC not meaning that much, especially nowadays with the technology in general being lower cost.
I recently purchased a Bifrost Multibit for "peace of mind" that my DAC wasn't bottle-necking anything (Modi 2).
I purchased it expecting practically nothing.. boy was I wrong.. it affected more than I ever anticipated and definitely look my listening experience up several notches.. I didn't even need to focus or think about it's changes, they weren't subtle.
I don't know how much better it gets, but I now know that there will be a "TOTL" DAC in my chain one day.
TL:DR the Bifrost Multibit seems to be great value, and I would recommend it.
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I've now got my eye on the Gustard X20, which reviews have besting even Schiit's flagship. Plus it does DSD over PCM.
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That Gustard X20 looks great. On amazon it's only 725€. That's only +25€ over the price of a Schiit Biforst Multibit here in EU.
Follow-up on this. The sound of the X20 is really good. A clear step-up from my Modi2U (what a surprise :P), adds depth to the sound. Unfortunately i can't compare it to anything else. Since this is my second DAC. Big bonus are the suggested mods. I'll start modding it asap :D.
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Being a Bottlehead, ("Tubes & I can build it better" syndrome!), and preferring NOS DAC's, I bought a DAC2.1 from AudioNote kits. AD1865 chip and 6299 output. It has been a wonderful addition to the kit!! (Headphones are still on a modified Teradak NOS).
Cheers,
Geary
I upgraded my ANK DAC 2.1 with the 5687 Output board and output transformers. Wow nice upgrade really took the sound upma notch, very natural and enjoyable to listen to.