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Title: Adding a B7 Trans to and FPII ........is this correct? (long)
Post by: Frank Mena on July 02, 2010, 12:16:46 PM

This post may be of interest to others who want to do this to their FP3.  I think the principles would be the same.  I want to check first with the board, that what I am going to do is correct, so please correct me if I am wrong.  I

Title: Re: Adding a B7 Trans to and FPII ........is this correct? (long)
Post by: JC on July 02, 2010, 01:10:16 PM

I can only speak about this in a very general sense, since my FP2 does not have the CCS's, but it sure seems to me that you could just put a coupling cap after the VA section to feed the primary of the transformer, and do away with the CF section altogether.  With the C4S as the plate "load" for the VA and a coupling cap to the transformer, it would be a sort of "parafeed" with the C4S taking the place of the more usual plate choke.

Just a thought; I'm not really sure of the output impedance of the VA section relative to the input impedance of the transformer.

Title: Re: Adding a B7 Trans to and FPII ........is this correct? (long)
Post by: Frank Mena on July 02, 2010, 02:38:11 PM

What I want to do is essentially this......(copied from an old post from Paul Joppa)

Paul Joppa wrote
 ....You could also take the output from the VA stage plate through the output cap to the transformer dotted terminal instead of the CF cathode. This basically bypasses the CF stage entirely. The unbypassed bias resistor at 1800 ohms would increase the impedance too much, so in that case return the non-dotted lead to the VA cathode instead of ground. If you do this, you can carry double the current in the VA stage C4S, ......

Frank M

Title: Re: Adding a B7 Trans to and FPII ........is this correct? (long)
Post by: Paul Birkeland on July 02, 2010, 03:23:27 PM

Quote from: Frank  Mena on July 02, 2010, 12:16:46 PM

...take out the CF board entirely (disconnect the B+ (pin6), disconnect the cathode (pin8) and disconnect the ground).    I can then take output cap and instead of having it go to the RCA out (from pin 8 or cathode) I can connect it to the B7 primary (side with two terminals ......dot is hot).  The non- dotted lead on the primary is then connected to the cathode (does it matter if it is pin 3 (cathode section 2) or pin 8 (cathode section1)? ....pin 3 has the 1800 ohm bias resistor).       

The B7 secondary (three terminals) is connected to the RCA out while the middle terminal is not connected and the last terminal is connected to ground.   I

Title: Re: Adding a B7 Trans to and FPII ........is this correct? (long)
Post by: Frank Mena on July 03, 2010, 07:45:56 AM

Thanks Paul.  I think I got it, ....but just in case I want to verify a few things in your post.

If replace the 1.8K bias resisitor with the HMLP-6000 does the cathode side of the HLMP-6000 face the tube (pin3)?

Is the 1.8K bias resisitor I mentioned, the same resisitor as the cathode resistor you mentioned in your post, and if I plan to replace it with the HLMP I assume it does not need too be bumped down to 1K? or are we talking about some other resisitor, since I don't see any other resisitor on the cathode pin.

Thanks again for all of your help. It really is appreciated
Frank M

Title: Re: Adding a B7 Trans to and FPII ........is this correct? (long)
Post by: Paul Joppa on July 05, 2010, 05:29:41 PM

Quote from: Frank  Mena on July 03, 2010, 07:45:56 AM

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If replace the 1.8K bias resisitor with the HMLP-6000 does the cathode side of the HLMP-6000 face the tube (pin3)?

Is the 1.8K bias resisitor I mentioned, the same resisitor as the cathode resistor you mentioned in your post,...

No, and Yes.

The 1.8K can be replaced with a smaller value if the current is increased to maintain at least 1.5v at the cathode, or it can be replaced with a HLMP-6000 LED which wil force 1.57v bias. You can raise the current to 3.8mA as in Foreplay III, or even higher - as long as the plate voltage stays low enough to leave some headroom. I'd use the 3.8mA, which is an R1 value of 237 ohms.

Be sure to keep the B7's well away from the power transformer so they don't pick up any hum!

Incidentally, the next stage would be to use the former CF triode as a shunt regulator. But try your planned experiment first to be sure this is the sound you want.

Title: Re: Adding a B7 Trans to and FPII ........is this correct? (long)
Post by: Frank Mena on July 07, 2010, 03:49:32 AM

Thank you Paul.  Parts have been ordered and I'll post back with my impressions.  You really piqued my interest with your statement of using the former CF triode as a shunt regulator as  the next stage.    I most likely will give it a try it but first one step at a time.

Thanks again.

Cheers
Frank M

Title: Re: Adding a B7 Trans to and FPII ........is this correct? (long)
Post by: Tube Newbie on August 16, 2010, 02:32:34 PM

Hi Frank,

Have you moved forward on this yet?  I was just wondering how you faired.

This is all very interesting to me.

Thanks,

From the new guy,

Ron

Title: Re: Adding a B7 Trans to and FPII ........is this correct? (long)
Post by: Frank Mena on August 17, 2010, 09:29:08 AM

Hi Ron...Yes I did do it  (adding the two B7's .....one for each channel ) and have posted my impressions and changes in a post called In Heaven with B7..or something to that effect.   

In summary I really liked the effect it gave especially with my vinyl set up.

Cheers
Frank M