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Offline johnsonad

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on: March 29, 2013, 03:06:41 AM
My BeePre is hotter than any BH product I've had to date. This is normal correct? The entire top plate is hot to the touch. I've got it raised a few inches and there is 6" of clearance above the tubes.

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Aaron

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Reply #1 on: March 29, 2013, 04:01:48 AM
Mine puts out a fair amount of heat also

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Reply #2 on: March 29, 2013, 04:54:57 AM
Yeah, the BeePre runs nice and warm.  The 300B and EL84 in each channel create a fair amount of their own heat, as do those three 10 watt resistors per channel.


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Reply #3 on: March 29, 2013, 06:09:18 AM
Thanks. Another room heater can't hurt ;)

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Reply #4 on: March 29, 2013, 06:49:01 AM
Aaron,

You live in SOCAL! I think you will need to bump the thermostat down a few degrees. How is the cross breeze at your place?

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Reply #5 on: March 29, 2013, 02:34:07 PM
A quick check is whether the two power transformers seem to be equally hot. If they are, then the two channels are drawing about the same power, so there's no single-channel error.

The transformers should be around 120-140 degrees on the surface. The dual DC heater supplies will make a lot of heat under the chassis though.

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Reply #6 on: March 29, 2013, 02:41:44 PM
They are equally warm :), thanks Paul.

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Reply #7 on: March 30, 2013, 06:44:26 AM
Paul, I hope you're talking Fahrenheit!

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Reply #8 on: March 30, 2013, 11:26:26 AM
Any stock parts replaceable with another manufactures version of the same that'll generates less heat, i.e., power transformers, 10watt resistors etc.?



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Reply #9 on: March 30, 2013, 12:50:20 PM
@Xavier, yes, sorry! My current goal is to stay below 60C = 140F for surface temps. Power tubes will usually run 140C to 200C on the surface, FWIW.

@MP9, most components such as resistors and tubes will generate the same amount of heat independent of manufacturer or design, as long as they are working correctly in the circuit as designed.

The exception is transformers. A larger transformer will have more room for copper windings, which can then be lower resistance, wasting less energy as heat, and run cooler - they will also have a larger cooling surface, getting rid of their heat more efficiently and thus running cooler. But the cost of transformers is roughly proportional to their weight, and a larger transformer usually means a larger, thicker chassis to mount it on - so it drives up the cost pretty fast.

There is a more subtle design balance going on, with copper losses against magnetic headroom and core (magnetic) losses. But the net heat savings potential is fairly small, and the sonic penalties are (IMHO) not small.

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