Film Capacitor Question

mSummers · 2111

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline mSummers

  • Full Member
  • ***
    • Posts: 65
on: March 30, 2014, 06:23:33 AM
I'm getting ready to upgrade the output caps and the last power supply cap in my Crack and have a question on film caps.  In the manual, we're told to pay attention to the orientation of the stripe on the electrolytic caps.  Are film caps directional in the same way?  If so, how can I tell which is the correct lead to put on the same side as the stripe on the electrolytic cap?  Specifically, I'm using Mundorf M Caps which have no markings on them except the name.

- Michael


Offline galyons

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
    • Posts: 626
  • Geary Lyons
Reply #1 on: March 30, 2014, 06:36:02 AM
The electrolytic caps in the kit are polarized.  It is fatally critical to get the orientation correct. Your film caps are not.  There maybe be some very slight noise benefit in orienting the inner and outer foil, but for the most part, either orientation is fine and safe.

Cheers,
Geary

VPI TNT IV/JMW 3D 12+Benz LP-S>  Eros + Auralic Aries + ANK Dac 4.1 >Eros TH+ Otari MX5050 IIIB2 > BeePre >Paramount 300B 7N7 > EV Sentry IV-A

Thorens TD124/Ortofon RMG-212/SPU >Seduction > Smash^Up> Paramour 45 MQ >K12's


Offline JamieMcC

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • Posts: 1167
Reply #2 on: March 30, 2014, 06:37:40 AM
Are the leads of equal length?

Shoot for the moon if you miss you will still be amongst the stars!


Offline mSummers

  • Full Member
  • ***
    • Posts: 65
Reply #3 on: March 30, 2014, 07:41:43 AM
Thanks Geary.  Is there a way to tell the inner/outer foil orientation?

Jamie, the leads are pretty close to identical on length (less than 1/16" difference)

- Michael


Offline galyons

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
    • Posts: 626
  • Geary Lyons
Reply #4 on: March 30, 2014, 08:01:06 AM
Thanks Geary.  Is there a way to tell the inner/outer foil orientation?

There is no consistency between manufacturers.  Some use differing lead lengths, differing lead cover coloring, various graphical markings or simply the old way, a line around the circumference of the cap.  You will have to look at the manufacturer's information or data sheet to see how and if they differentiate.

Cheers,
Geary

VPI TNT IV/JMW 3D 12+Benz LP-S>  Eros + Auralic Aries + ANK Dac 4.1 >Eros TH+ Otari MX5050 IIIB2 > BeePre >Paramount 300B 7N7 > EV Sentry IV-A

Thorens TD124/Ortofon RMG-212/SPU >Seduction > Smash^Up> Paramour 45 MQ >K12's


Offline mcandmar

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • Posts: 1599
  • Not all engineers are civil
Reply #5 on: March 30, 2014, 08:40:25 AM
With the Mundorfs there is no marked orientation.  If you have a scope you can check to see which end is the inner and outer foil but its not worth worrying about, just make sure both are the same.

M.McCandless


Offline mSummers

  • Full Member
  • ***
    • Posts: 65
Reply #6 on: March 30, 2014, 08:57:20 AM
Thanks, guys.  I don't have a scope, so I can't check it that way.  I did notice that if I set my meter to vDC, if I put the probes on the leads one way, it read positive volts and the other way read negative volts.  Does that tell me anything?

If not, I'll just pick a direction and install them

- Michael


Offline galyons

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
    • Posts: 626
  • Geary Lyons
Reply #7 on: March 30, 2014, 09:17:35 AM
...just pick a direction and install them
You got it. Just orient both caps/channels the same.

Cheers,
Geary

VPI TNT IV/JMW 3D 12+Benz LP-S>  Eros + Auralic Aries + ANK Dac 4.1 >Eros TH+ Otari MX5050 IIIB2 > BeePre >Paramount 300B 7N7 > EV Sentry IV-A

Thorens TD124/Ortofon RMG-212/SPU >Seduction > Smash^Up> Paramour 45 MQ >K12's


Offline Grainger49

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • Posts: 7175
Reply #8 on: April 01, 2014, 04:06:37 AM
My two cents worth... I orient the capacitors as the manufacturer suggests.  But only if they have that recorded somewhere.  All other capacitors I have swapped out, and there are many, I just put in with the writing the same way.

I don't have any noise problems in my system.