Many Many thanks guys! This is great. I just ordered the chipquik kit to try out. I have murdered too many circuits/boards, and I want to 'change my ways'. The soldering station was a big help, and now this. I don't work with ic's because i love 'em. It's just a fact of life with some circuits, and therefor unavoidable. I much prefer point to point, and that is the way that my amp is. ok, I'll quit now before I ramble.