Hello Eric, Thanks again for the reply. I will try the Ground. As for the Log home, {romantic, warm, homie} now the truth is there is about an hours worth of crying I can tell about living here. If anyone is contemplating moving into or building one, talk to me first. I don't dislike anyone enough not to tell them the truth. {not even a Dematcrat} ops.. no politics or religion, I might have pissed off alot of prspective frends, Sorry...Mike