It's Alive

[tuffy_puppy]

hey all,  maybe i'm outa line here but why is this gotten to be such a car oriented forum?  and pubescent muscle car crap at that?  how about lettin' this stuff go and getting back to tubes and speakers and such pubescent flea powered stuff as that there?  don

[tuffy_puppy]

ok,  now i'm wound up.  here in long beach washington where i live every year about labor day an event is held that is called THE END OF THE WORLD ROD RUN.  three days of geezers (i am 70) and their classic old rods.  three days of sleeplessness for us locals.  these arrested development types arping up their  motors and paying $500 for the thrill of peeling out.  and then these gd fools have the  gall to resent the fines when we all know perfectly well  that they would never think of doing that in their own neighborhoods...........we get eighty inches of rain per year  here so on the years that the event experiences rain these morons cannot even move their heaps due to "environmental stress"  give us all a break and put these things where the sun don't shine.  any doubt about how i feel as to the question of muscle cars i am available to  discuss (and cuss) this issue.  360 642 8853  don pettit

[tuffy_puppy]

and please don't get me started on the pubescent activities of dirt bikes and gun shots.  your neighbors do not wanna hear these idiotic antics!!!!!!!  please be neighborly!!!!  me, again

[earwaxxer]

Wow! I just got caught up on this thread... No problems with 'low testosterone' here!

[Paul Birkeland]

(https://forum.bottlehead.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.fjcdn.com%2Fpictures%2Fget_fce9d8_832636.jpg&hash=631ad6ba487b342a5a7fc8bdca95b74aec77f973)

[KevO]

I'm not weighing in with an opinion, just a suggested reference.

I just read the Dec 2012 Car and Driver, pg. 54, article titled

 'As car makers switch from hydraulic to electric steering assist in pursuit of mpg, are we losing touch?'

Quote-

'Makers are moving aggressively to EPS because eliminating an engine-driven hydraulic pump increases gas milage by about 1 mpg.'

Good article.

[4krow]

Consider me just an observer here. I DO enjoy all things physics, and so, this thread has interest for me. My only question here is about the 'general discussion' rule. It does say that we can talk about anything and everything in this area. Does that only apply to audio related subjects? I did not think so, but someone has raised the question before me, and I thought a clarification would help. Thanks in advance

[Doc B.]

It is indeed the general discussion area and is for off topic stuff as well as audio stuff that doesn't seem to fit into other categories. As long as tolerance and respect is shown by everyone any subject is fine. I do feel that politics, religion, and other incendiary topics are not really germane to this forum - and besides that there are several million other URLs where one can dwell upon those subjects.

Staying somewhat within the original topic here, I have been taking a few days off to decompress and one of the interesting subjects I have been reading about are the turbine cars that were developed in the 50's in Europe. To wit -

Fiat Turbina
(https://forum.bottlehead.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2F5%2F52%2FFiat_Turbina_Museo_Nazionale_dell%26%23039%3BAutomobile_di_Torino.jpg&hash=8f4414b1e2fde12840ab62d74aae5888c3496f96)

Renault Etoile Filante (yes, a French car held the world speed record for turbine cars at one point - 190 mph in 1956!)
(https://forum.bottlehead.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.shorey.net%2FAuto%2FFrench%2FRenault%2F1956%2520Renault%2520Etoile%2520Filante.jpg&hash=8ce68c9e39c735577d153097ad2cf5418c89711d)

SOCEMA-Gregoire
(https://forum.bottlehead.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgtfrance.free.fr%2Fretromobile2005%2Fsocema_gregoire.jpg&hash=aa32c2b43a322332db3970787ca04e7d47191566)
 

[earwaxxer]

cool pics! - amazing how far we have come!

[Doc B.]

cool pics! - amazing how far we have come!

Actually I was thinking how maybe we should a take a couple steps back, at least in terms of design aesthetic. For sure the turbines were noisy and terribly inefficient. But look up the drag coefficients of those cars...

[tuffy_puppy]

i am totally chagrined.  it has been pointed out that i have breached protocol.  i humbly withdraw from these environs. i shall never darken these doors again.  don

[Grainger49]

I saw a demonstration of the Chrysler Turbine at Lenox Square in Atlanta.  It was said it would run on anything combustible, gas, "that good ol' mountain dew" (Moonshine, although a great waste to burn it) and the then popular Jade East. 

The presenter poured in a bottle of Jade East and I ran to the exhaust, I could smell it coming out.  He didn't pour in any moonshine.

I was most impressed with its lack of vibration. They put a quarter on the air cleaner and revved it up.  It didn't even jiggle.

[4krow]

Don,
  I was only asking for clarification about this site, nothing more. These fine gents/ladies here are good enough to accomidate all of us, as long as we don't 'get into it' with each other. No one here is asking for you to leave, and I, for one appreciate your contributions.

[Doc B.]

I appreciate the comments of those who are willing to look back at their posts and offer that they may have been able to word them a little more diplomatically. I have not threatened to ban anyone and I'm not asking anyone to leave. Yes, if any thread gets out of line I will lock it. And yes, if someone is being intolerant and can't make a point without belittling other posters, I will call you out. We all have a responsibility to look at how we word our posts with a thought toward how others will perceive it, not just how we intend it.

One of my responsibilities is to look at these threads as a future resource for others. If there is too much stress and strain in the conversation like has happened in this thread I usually make the determination that the static overwhelms the signal. Thus I am locking this thread in spite of the rather interesting initial discussion. Tickwomp, your project is just f***ing awesome.