New Builder-Painting Top Plate

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Offline adeep42

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on: May 02, 2016, 06:54:44 AM
Hello All, I am a brand new Bottleheader. Haven't built a hi-fi kit since my Eico amp and Heathkit FM Tuner in 1959 and 60. Awaiting delivery of Crack and Speedball and really looking forward to the projects. My question for you all is: I'd like to spray paint the top plate and transformer top with Rustoleum Gloss Black. Is this a good idea? I'm most concerned with the possible effect of heat, particularly after the Speedball upgrade.

Thanks. I'm looking forward to hearing from you guys. Any other tips r thought would be most welcome as well.

Alan



Offline Doc B.

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Reply #1 on: May 02, 2016, 02:22:03 PM
Should be fine.

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Reply #2 on: May 02, 2016, 04:00:05 PM
Doc, Thanks so much.



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Reply #3 on: May 03, 2016, 12:56:09 AM
Remember, it takes weeks for the Hammerite to fully cure.
Getting a good result takes a LOT of patience:)

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Reply #4 on: May 03, 2016, 03:52:45 PM
strikkflypilot, Are you saying that it's best to wait a few weeks between spraying and beginning the install? I don't think I have that kind of patience.



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Reply #5 on: May 04, 2016, 01:43:14 AM
The Rustoleum gloss black should dry and harden much quicker than the Hammerite finish. Would still leave it for a day or two, maybe somewhere warm or in the sun for a while.



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Reply #6 on: May 04, 2016, 03:44:18 AM
Hi there adeep42,

I've used Hammerite, Rustoleum gloss and Rustoleum Hammered finish on various components of Bottlehead Kits over the years.  I've never had a problem with a soft finish with any of them, but generally, work and other to-do's have allowed a week or two for curing of paint.  Deluk's suggestion is a great one; I've painted onto plates warmed by the sun and let plates sit in the sun after painting to accelerate curing.

I just last week painted parts for my Kaiju with Rustoleum Hammered finish (top plate, transformer bell) and Rustoleum gloss black (transformer, tube socket retaining rings).  The top plate and bell were painted outside on a sunny day, whereas the gloss black parts were painted in the garage on cloudy but not cold (about 65 deg F) day.

I'd say the top plate and bell were ready for assembly within a day or two (after my patented 'sitting on a box in the living room for a day or two' cure process), but the gloss black parts needed a few more days to get from a palpably soft state to a ready to assemble state.

Curing of most paints can be accelerated by applying some heat.  It doesn't take a lot; say about 100 deg F or so.  Sun heating of a dark (say, gloss black) part will likely be warmer than that but seems to work fine (at least here in the Grey Northwet, aka Great Northwest, of the US).  I've also used ovens, though not all will accurately run at low temperatures, and of course, don't use a microwave.

Good luck!



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Reply #7 on: May 04, 2016, 04:34:24 AM
Thank you all. Really appreciate your input and your experience. One more question, what about surface preparation? Thanks again. Love the community and camaraderie here. It's like family.



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Reply #8 on: May 04, 2016, 05:15:06 AM
What I have done is using spray, one grounding coating and as much as 9 coats of hammerite spray on top, with, I believe as much as two minutes between coats.
I am sure all those coats have contributed to the curing taking a long time, I have witnessed bending of the coating around screws when mounting hardware after some 10 days.

The most important tip is this; when You think You are done With all Your coats, do not get tempted to spray on another coat after an hour or just a few days. The Paint seems to stretch when drying and if You apply a wet coat it will all crack and look awful. Then there is all the work getting the Paint off before starting over from scratch again.
Been there:(

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Reply #9 on: May 04, 2016, 05:36:09 AM
Hey adeep42,

On the question of surface prep, there's not much required.  The brushed finish on the aluminum gives a good surface for paint adhesion, so the main thing is to make sure the plate is free from dirt, grease or other residue.  A soap and water wash is fine, as is a wipe with IPA (isopropyl alcohol, not India Pale Ale) or other solvent (MEK, other non-residue cleaner).  Whatever cleaning you do opt for, just be sure it leaves no residue as this will obviously interfere with adhesion.

Totally agree with Strikkflypilot on the coating approach - working on wet-ish coats works well, and definitely ditto on that 'one last coat' caution.

Good luck!

David



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Reply #10 on: May 05, 2016, 04:49:02 AM
Thanks again. Can't wait for my Crack to arrive. Should be any day now. Plan is first spray top plate and transformer bell, then work on base and try to exercise as much patience as I can.