Problem with volume control - Valab

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Offline diynewbie

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Reply #15 on: February 17, 2017, 03:51:38 AM
Your readings indicate that the makers wiring is correct.  I don’t know if your wiring is correct.

Are you sure that position 0 is 0 for input to output?  You reported it as 99.6 kohms in an earlier post.  A 0 value would indicate no attenuation and you should have been blasted with sound in both channels.  Recheck position 17 as you have two different values for output to ground; they should be the same – ca. 14 kohms.

Keep in mind that there are only two resistors per channel in circuit at a given time.  The exception would be the first and last positions which will only have one resistor and a wire and their positions should be reversed.  So, all other positions should work fine.  If you have some cheap headphones, you could skip the bad position and start with the next.  This would at least show that your wiring is correct.

If you can contact just the top lead of the top resistor – closest to the pcb board, you may be able to determine if the resistor is bad by measuring resistance between it and the joint between the two resistors.  Of course, if that solder joint is bad, you will still see infinity.  Check the resistor closest to the bottom pcb as well to make sure you have the correct resistor.  If both are fine – i.e. ~99 ohms not kohms, then it is a bad solder joint.

The faulty position isn’t one you are likely to use, so I wouldn’t pitch the attenuator if the seller won’t replace it.  Once I knew the seller won’t replace the unit, I would try reflowing the solder at the top pcb, then, if that didn’t fix the reading, reflow solder between the two resistors.  If you don’t want to replace the bad resistor, you could remove it and replace it with a wire.  The sound wouldn’t be balanced at that position, but you shouldn’t get blasted in the right channel, it would be the same as the previous position for that channel.  The attenuation of the left channel at the bad position is -60dB and not likely to be of any practical use.



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Reply #16 on: February 17, 2017, 07:18:38 AM
Right.  I've had a poke about with the multimeter again, on 17 position, it reads 14.9 on both channels, must have read it wrong when I wrote it down first time I tested it.  I can confirm the readings are 0 with the switch turned all the way down between both the input and output.

Where I had an infinite reading on the right channel, now shows 99-100, maybe I've disturbed something I don't know.  The resistors measure ok. I don't trust this unit at all.



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Reply #17 on: February 17, 2017, 10:17:59 AM
I can’t say that I blame you.  If the initial problem was a cold joint in the right channel, the joints would still need to be reflowed before I would trust it.  But I can’t see how you could get 0 ohms for input to output and output to ground at the lowest setting.  This would also concern me.

I’m also not sure what the effect of a cold joint would be.  I think that circuit should look like the RCA ground going to the socket and the RCA pin in line with a the socket with a 96kohm resistor in between.  I’m not sure if this would blast that channel.

Like I said, I’m out of my depth at this point.  Hopefully you will get a favorable response from the seller.



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Reply #18 on: February 17, 2017, 04:39:26 PM
Cutting my losses on this one.  Think i'm going to order a normal decent quality Pot!

Still had no reply from the seller.   Won't be buying anything from him again.
« Last Edit: February 17, 2017, 04:41:51 PM by richie60 »



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Reply #19 on: February 18, 2017, 01:42:29 PM
I also bought a Valab attenuator from Vintage Audio Lab and could never get it to measure to what I expected (it was the SMD version).  Tried a couple times to contact the seller and never got a reply.  Just today I installed an Alps Blue Velvet to replace the stock pot in my Stereomour and for a cheap, direct replacement I like it.  Definitely resolved my channel balance issue.  Can't say it sounds that much different than stock but it sounds great.  I bought the one with lugs for easy soldering.  The shaft is a little long - I cut it down by about 5/16".

I used the link that someone posted on the forum a couple weeks ago and got it in about a week from China.  It appears to be a real Alps.

Rick

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Reply #20 on: February 19, 2017, 07:11:12 PM
Cutting my losses on this one.  Think i'm going to order a normal decent quality Pot!
One came with your kit, give it a shot!

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Reply #21 on: February 22, 2017, 05:57:20 AM
Finally had a message from the seller on ebay:

Dear Sir:
Oh, so sorry for my late answer.
I have a bad cold from last week.
This is a one man business. so I fail to process your request until today.

You do not connect it right way, not a defect.

In -> connect to signal source. .
Out --> connect to your signal input of your circuit board.
G -> ground.

You must connect it wrong way.

It is ok, If you fail to use it.
I will issue full refund to you.

Sincerely, Kevin

He must think I'm an idiot! Think I know how to wire up the PCB on the volume control.




Offline Tom-s

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Reply #22 on: February 22, 2017, 06:29:28 AM
It's reversed somewhere.
For now you could just switch input and output.
This would give you a working volume control that works anti-clockwise for now.

Edit: On second thought, i'm wrong about that last sentence.
« Last Edit: February 22, 2017, 06:31:48 AM by Tom-s »



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Reply #23 on: February 22, 2017, 09:55:55 PM
Looking at your pic it looks a bit unclear if two of your black ground wires which are connected to the outside edge are connected to the correct ground positions I see other clearly marked ground positions on the pcb just not ones on that outside edge where two of your black leads are connected.

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Reply #24 on: February 23, 2017, 05:05:34 AM
I got the same Valab and installed it in the past month. The outside edge is connected to the ground tab in the middle (R). To me the wiring in the picture seems good.

Boris


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Reply #25 on: February 23, 2017, 09:19:53 AM
Update:

I have just installed my new replacement volume control, an Audionote 100K Potentiometer, cost me £36 Inc.  Vat & shipping direct from Audionote themselves. Had to widen the hole in the plate a little bit further to accommodate the 10mm thread but that was easy with a round file. Currently sat here listening to some tunes on the amp, all is well...

I'll post some pictures later on...

I would like to thank all of you that have tried to help me figure out the problems I've been having.

Richard