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Smash build with a few wonky resistance measurements (resolved)
« on: February 13, 2019, 02:22:51 AM »
Hello,

I have built the Smash in the stock version. Most of the resistance values were spot on. All the terminals with an asterisk (*) in the resistance check showed as OL on my meter. However, terminal 26 should be * but shows 0 Ohms. Terminal 31 on the other hand should be 0 Ohms, but gives an OL reading. Terminal 35 should be *, and showed up as OL in one reading, but then as 0.04 and slowly rising in another one. I tried to redo the soldering on the wires and components and re-flowed solder at the PT side for some terminals, but repeat measurements gave me the same readings. This can't be just a grounding problem, but I have painted the chassis and PT). The screws are tight. Thanks in advance for your help with troubleshooting. Cheers, FS 
« Last Edit: March 07, 2019, 07:57:20 AM by FS »

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Re: Smash build with a few wonky resistance measurements
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2019, 05:13:05 AM »
26 being 0 ohms means that the shielded twisted pair wires going from those terminals to the PC board, then to the sockets has an error.  For some reason, it is extremely common for builders to switch a black wire and a shield wire along the way, and this will ground out the negative end of the filament supply.

For terminal 31, just tighten up the hardware on the power transformer a bit.  If the tightening doesn't help, you can carefully remove the screw on that corner and scrape off a little paint under where it rests against the power transformer cover.
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Re: Smash build with a few wonky resistance measurements
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2019, 09:37:55 AM »
I had a similar problem on terminal 31. I took a Dremel with a grinder bit to it and it cleared things up.
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Re: Smash build with a few wonky resistance measurements
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2019, 05:18:33 PM »
Hi PB and Oguinn,
I have taken out the screws and sanded underneath the bell end and the top of the core. After re-assembly, terminals 25, 30, 31, and 36 are now properly grounded. I have checked the shielded twisted pair cable, and it connects all the right terminals. Colors are not switched. What should I read at the PC board? I have some troubles at terminal 26, had to re-solder a few times and it is still not OL, it reads 360 Ohms now, terminal 27 is OL.
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Re: Smash build with a few wonky resistance measurements
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2019, 04:28:23 AM »
Is it 360 ohms, or 360k ohms? If it’s in the tens or hundreds of thousands of ohms it should be ok according to the manual.
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Re: Smash build with a few wonky resistance measurements
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2019, 06:05:59 AM »
Terminal 26 shows a resistance reading of 360 Ohms when set to the 2K range. Terminal 27 shows a a high resistance reading going up until it hits OL. Terminal 26 is the only one that shows a deviation from the resistance values published in the manual on page 47. As I had said, the shielded twisted pair cable to the filament regulatory board (as described on pages 35 and 36) shows all connections made properly, with the red wire going to terminal 27U and the black wire going to 26U. The other end that goes to the PC board has the drain wire attached to the solder tab. The red wire goes to the "In" solder pad, the black to the "GND" solder pad. Resistance reading at the "GND" pad show 360 Ohms on the black wire end, OL on the tab. Resistance reading on the "In" pad are OL, and a high resistance creeping up to OL on the red wire end that is connected to it, which are the same values as on terminals 26 and 27 on the other side of the cable.
I have checked that the UF4007 rectifier diodes and the 5818 Schottky diodes are in the correct orientation and don't touch other pads, terminals or wires.

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Re: Smash build with a few wonky resistance measurements
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2019, 06:18:49 AM »
It’d probably help Paul and the Bottlehead guys if you posted pictures of your build. Paul has a pretty keen eye for catching issues.

I’m also a novice with this stuff, so I’ve exhausted my usefulness.
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Re: Smash build with a few wonky resistance measurements
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2019, 07:19:23 AM »
Here are a few pics of the Smash build...

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Re: Smash build with a few wonky resistance measurements
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2019, 08:46:46 AM »
Can I see the other side of the filament regulator PCB?  How about the rest of the build?
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Re: Smash build with a few wonky resistance measurements
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2019, 09:07:16 AM »
Hi Paul,

I have attached a few more pics, including a close-up of the back of the PC board.

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Re: Smash build with a few wonky resistance measurements
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2019, 09:22:40 AM »
Resistance reading at the "GND" pad show 360 Ohms on the black wire end, OL on the tab.
OL at the ground tab on the PC board?  The ground tab is grounded to the chassis.  If you see "OL" there, then your chassis isn't grounded. This is a contradiction since 6U touches the chassis and the grounding lug touches the chassis.  You are using 6U as your ground reference correct?

There is 360 ohms (approximately) of resistance between "OUT" and "GND" on the PC board, can you verify this measurement? 
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Re: Smash build with a few wonky resistance measurements
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2019, 09:57:18 AM »
I am using 6U as the reference. Checking these measurements again, I get 360 Ohms at 26, A1, and C1, OL at 27, 360 at the "GND" of the PC board, OL at the "In" of the PCB.  And yes, I confirm that there is 360 Ohms between "GND" and "OUT" of the PCB.
6U shows as grounded - I measured 0 Ohms against other grounded terminals.

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Re: Smash build with a few wonky resistance measurements
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2019, 10:37:41 AM »
Can you unscrew the PCB and the L-200 from the chassis plate, lift them off it, then remeasure?
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Re: Smash build with a few wonky resistance measurements
« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2019, 11:08:03 AM »
I have unscrewed the PCB and the L-200 from the chassis. lifted them up to make sure there is no contact. I remeasured and got the following resistance values:
0 at terminal 25, OL at 26, OL at 27, 0 at 28, OL at 29, 0 at 30.
On the PCB, I got OL on the soldering tab, IN, GND, and OUT.

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Re: Smash build with a few wonky resistance measurements
« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2019, 11:09:56 AM »
Yeah, so I'd review the mounting instructions for the heatsink mounting kit.  The metal tab of the L-200 was touching the chassis and causing these issues.  This can happen if the shoulder washer isn't properly installed onto the metal tab of the L200, or if the mica insulator is well out of position.
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