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Offline rhynolite

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Kaiju with KEF r700
« on: January 13, 2020, 07:07:58 PM »
Happy Crack user here, considering building a tube power amp for my living room. I wonder whether a single Kaiju will be powerful enough for a pair of r700s. The sensitivity stated by the manufacturer: 89dB/2.83V/m. Impedance: 8 ohms nominal. If my calculations are correct, Kaiju's 8W/channel should be slightly over 95 dB/M. However, the spec sheet states that "Amplification required: 25–200W". I am confused :/

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Re: Kaiju with KEF r700
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2020, 07:49:58 PM »
A rule of thumb, mentioned by PJ and others on here aims for 102dB peaks for optimal amplification.
So with your speakers +- 16W is optimal to start with. But tube amps have "headroom", as they clip gently and can be "run harder". "Tube amps will sound more powerful".
I'd say 8W into your speakers will be ok. But it's all personal preference. Maybe for your day to day music it's ok, but not for movies. Or your listening habits demand even more volume. Can't tell.

And from my own experience, even 96dB max is ok *(0.5w into 99db speakers).

Edit" here's a topic for you
https://forum.bottlehead.com/index.php?topic=9930.0

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Re: Kaiju with KEF r700
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2020, 12:55:14 AM »
Thanks for the reply, Tom-s!

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Re: Kaiju with KEF r700
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2020, 02:21:53 AM »
Happy Crack user here, considering building a tube power amp for my living room. I wonder whether a single Kaiju will be powerful enough for a pair of r700s. The sensitivity stated by the manufacturer: 89dB/2.83V/m. Impedance: 8 ohms nominal. If my calculations are correct, Kaiju's 8W/channel should be slightly over 95 dB/M. However, the spec sheet states that "Amplification required: 25–200W". I am confused :/

My personal experience with a range of speakers using SET amps is that the impedance curve of the speakers will have a big influence on the quality of sound- the control and slam from the speakers. The Stereophile measurements https://www.stereophile.com/content/kef-r700-loudspeaker-measurements show that for a lot of the range it's a 4 ohm speaker, but without big dips below. So probably it will won't play as loud as you might expect, but it's pretty well behaved otherwise.

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Re: Kaiju with KEF r700
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2020, 03:38:55 AM »
Another option might be to use a solid state power amp (even a DIY kit type) and put a BeePre in front of it. I haven't personally tried this, but I am pretty sure there are others on this forum using such a setup and perhaps they will read this and comment.  The BeePre is a helluva nice pre-amp. I won't even listen to my Stereomours without it - and that's saying something, b/c I really like my Stereomours.

cheers, Derek
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Roon Intel NUC ->  Yggdrasil DAC -> BeePre (w/ BeeQuiet and EML 300B)  -> Kaiju (w/ DCFil and EML 300B) or Stereomour II (2A3 [EML Mesh] and 45 Conversion [EML 45B])  -> Audeze LCD4

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Re: Kaiju with KEF r700
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2020, 04:11:20 PM »
Thanks for the reply James! The stereophile link is very interesting. I have a noob question: from "... for a lot of a range it's 4 ohm speaker ... won't play as loud ..." I infer that SET amplifiers rely on high impedance, and from there I infer that the SET amplifiers are based on AC current amplification, vs. voltage. Is this a correct conclusion, or am I reaching the wrong conclusions?

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Re: Kaiju with KEF r700
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2020, 04:13:17 PM »
Another option might be to use a solid state power amp (even a DIY kit type) and put a BeePre in front of it. I haven't personally tried this, but I am pretty sure there are others on this forum using such a setup and perhaps they will read this and comment.  The BeePre is a helluva nice pre-amp. I won't even listen to my Stereomours without it - and that's saying something, b/c I really like my Stereomours.

cheers, Derek

That's an interesting idea, I admit I have not considered it at all. I was thinking of using the solid state preamp in my integrated receiver, and routing that to the tube power amp to drive the speakers in a more convincing manner.  Now I am reconsidering my thinking.

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Re: Kaiju with KEF r700
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2020, 04:28:00 AM »
Your receiver preamp is unlikely to have the quality to make the most of the Kaiju. If you need bells and whistles you'll need a much better dedicated pre that is well matched to drive a valve amp and be well matched sound wise as well.

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Re: Kaiju with KEF r700
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2020, 09:15:37 AM »
Did anyone mention a tube pre could just be perfect for that? https://bottlehead.com/product/beepre-300b-preamplifier-kit/

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