Speedball 1.0 High Voltage issue [resolved]

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Offline pickanick

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on: February 15, 2020, 08:47:12 AM
Hello,

I bought the crack plus speedball years ago (speedball is 3 board design), and at the time I made the crack, everything checked out, and I attempted the speedball upgrade, but failed, got nervous, and reverted it to the original crack, which I've been listening to for years. 

**I also made the mistake of mounting the heat sinks and TIP50's upside down**

I decided it's time to upgrade to the speedball and see what all the fuss is about (even though I love the crack on its own).

Right now my voltages are  (I'll put ideal voltages in parenthesis for ease of reference):

T1: 85 (75)
T2: 232 (170)
T4: 232 (170)
T5: 82 (75)
T7: 213 (100)
T9: 213 (100)
T13: 232 (170)
T15: 235 (185)
T18: 94 (?)
T19: 90 (0)
T21: 238 (206)

input tube seems pretty normal aside from

a1: 82 (75)
a6: 82 (75)

power tube:

b1: 82 (75)
b2: 232 (170)
b3: 211 (100)
b4: 82 (75)
b5: 231 (170)
b6: 212 (100)

I've attached photos.  I would think there would be pretty much a single problem, as everything is flowing normally, but the voltages are just too high... I'm not THAT familiar with circuitry that I can really sort this out myself.  Aside from the upside down heat sinks and tip50's, I think everything is connected properly.  I replaced the transistors on the speedball board as well, because one of them seemed to be not working, but they're both new and working now.  The small boards both have 2 470ohm resistors connected in parallel, which gives a resistance of 235 instead of 237, as my local shop didn't have 237 ohm resistors. 

LED's light up everywhere except they are dimmer / or not on on the big speedball board.

I've been checking solders and connections for the past two days and am pretty much out of ideas, except switching that main board around.  But that's a pain in the ass I'd rather avoid, if it's just a matter of a malfunctioning capacitor or something like that.

Voltage from power cord is 123.6 if that matters.


Thanks in advance for any help anybody can offer!

« Last Edit: February 18, 2020, 11:00:06 AM by Paul Birkeland »



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Reply #1 on: February 16, 2020, 04:48:59 PM
Can you post the photos you have?

What did you do to remedy the upside down heatsinks?

Paul "PB" Birkeland

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Reply #2 on: February 16, 2020, 11:39:48 PM
Sorry, I guess the photos were too large to post.  I've uploaded them to imgur here: imgur.com/a/ouFpikM

I didn't actually fix the upside down heatsinks.  I figured, if it's all connected properly, it wouldn't know whether or not it's upside down... is that stupid?  Should I just fix it?  I didn't have solder braid until the other day, so I couldn't get them off, but I can probably get them off now.




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Reply #3 on: February 17, 2020, 06:08:46 AM
Upside down installation could result in the left leg becoming the right - resulting in the "collector" leg being put into the "emitter" pcb position and and vice versa. From one of the photos, it looks like that might be the case for your TIP50s.

I believe this is a no go. But I'd wait for confirmation from PB.

cheers, Derek



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Reply #4 on: February 17, 2020, 06:35:06 AM
Thanks!  That makes sense, actually... I didn't consider that part of it is still backwards.  I'll start the dreaded disassembly. :(



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Reply #5 on: February 18, 2020, 04:14:39 AM
UPDATE:  I switched the heatsinks/tip50's around to the top side, and I'm still getting (essentially) the same readings.  I'll update that imgur link with fresh pictures.  I can see now that the LED's on the mainboard are NOT on.    Now I'm really at a loss.  I was hoping this would solve all my problems.  The real issue would seem to be the high voltage at T7, T9, which also goes to B3 and B6, but I'm not sure why.



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Reply #6 on: February 18, 2020, 05:31:39 AM
UPDATE: I swapped all the LED's on the mainboard and now they also brightly glow.  Looks like all my LED's were blown / bad.

My readings are now:

T2: 224 (170)
T4: 224 (170)
T7: 159 (100)
T9: 157 (100)
T13: 223 (170)
T15: 229 (185)
T19: 88 (0)

INPUT TUBE IS NORMAL

B2: 224 (170)
B3: 157 (100)
B5: 223 (170)
B6: 156 (100)

Sorry for the continual updates...

All the high voltage measurements are high by 54 - 57v, except at T19, which should be 0, but I'm getting 88... perhaps it's an issue in that region that's not dropping the AC to DC properly, which flows out into the rest of the circuit at +54(7)v DC?  I don't really know.



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Reply #7 on: February 18, 2020, 10:12:17 AM
The solder joint at B5 is a textbook example of a cold solder joint.

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Reply #8 on: February 18, 2020, 10:56:28 AM
Thanks, I fixed that joint, and a couple of others that might have looked like that.  I think they were working, since i've been using this thing for years, but I put some heat on it and it's definitely a better joint now.  It may have stopped working when I moved the amp, and that's what's been throwing me off... who knows!

I also discovered that the 31.6ohm resistors weren't giving me any readings whatsoever, so I ran to the store and grabbed a 820 and 33ohm (they didn't have 31.6) and wired  them in parallel so that they're giving me about 31.5ohms on the main board.  Now everything seems to be functioning within the 10% parameters that are specified.  Great!

I'm testing it right now, and it's GREAT! 

I'm not sure if that was the issue, the cold solder joint, but thanks very much for your help!