BP2 voltages slightly off (resolved)

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on: March 07, 2021, 04:08:47 AM
Hi everyone,

This build has been smooth so far but I'm getting anomalous voltages on one channel at the check on p. 55 of the manual:

T6     94.5V   (100)
T16   69.2V   (100)

T25    9.6V (10)
T30   12.2V (10)

Any thoughts about what to check first?   Thanks,

Gideon
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Reply #1 on: March 07, 2021, 06:15:23 AM
Could you post some build photos?

I suspect on the side where you are seeing 69.2V that you have one of the resistors out of position around where the blue axial capacitor is.  The 94.5V isn't a problem.

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Reply #2 on: March 07, 2021, 06:28:38 AM
Here's the resistor bundle on the bad channel:



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Reply #3 on: March 07, 2021, 06:30:41 AM
30U looks like it might need a more solid crimp and some solder reflow. 

What DC voltage do you get between pins 1 and 4 on that 4 pin socket?

What DC voltage do you get at pin 3 on that 4 pin socket?

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Reply #4 on: March 07, 2021, 06:56:17 AM
Recrimped/flowed 30U.  Voltage between pins 1-4 = 4.9V.   The DC voltage at pin 3 (ref to ground) is maybe 10 mV, but it's a bit wobbly.  Not sure I'm measuring the right thing there.



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Reply #5 on: March 07, 2021, 07:10:22 AM
If you swap 300Bs, do the problematic voltages move to the other socket?

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Reply #6 on: March 07, 2021, 07:14:53 AM
Nope.  That was the first thing I checked. Hmmm....



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Reply #7 on: March 07, 2021, 07:17:02 AM
Can you post some more build photos?

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Reply #8 on: March 07, 2021, 07:30:24 AM
A random selection.  Happy to send more.   Thanks for bearing with me.

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Reply #9 on: March 07, 2021, 09:18:15 AM
You can use more solder on the joints on the terminal strips.  The terminal strips are phenolic and metal, and the teflon coating on the wires won't melt from your soldering iron, so don't be afraid to leave your iron on each joint for 10+ seconds, as there isn't really anything that's going to be damaged by doing that.  I suspect if you add more solder and reflow your joints that those problematic voltages are going to move around a bit. 

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Reply #10 on: March 07, 2021, 10:19:49 AM
No luck.  I went back over everything upstream from the B socket with more heat and solder and the voltages are exactly where they were.  The resistance check before I installed the axial capacitor was perfect.  Does that localize the problem to the capacitor terminals (26U and 30U)? 

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Reply #11 on: March 07, 2021, 12:02:40 PM
Does that localize the problem to the capacitor terminals (26U and 30U)?
You are certainly welcome to remove the capacitor from those terminals to see if that does anything.  Looking at your photo, the lower joint below where the banded end of that capacitor connects has not had adequate heat applied to it to flow out properly.

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Reply #12 on: March 07, 2021, 01:40:31 PM
Thanks, PB.   I removed the cap, checked resistances, reinstalled cap and reflowed everything I could find.  Resistances are spot on. Voltages are still as before.  I did a bit of prodding with a chopstick and the voltages are rock solid.  I'll give it a day or two and come back with fresh eyes unless someone has a better idea.  Thanks again for all the help .



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Reply #13 on: March 07, 2021, 06:17:28 PM
Could you please measure the DC resistance between 12 and ground?  How about 14?

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Reply #14 on: March 08, 2021, 01:15:31 AM
Ah, great.  I think this is the problem.  12 to ground is open.  12 to Terminal D on the selector switch is 24k ohm; but D to ground is open, and I'm guessing that's wrong.

14 to ground is 22 ohms.


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