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on: May 25, 2011, 05:24:31 PM
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Offline tubeglow

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Reply #1 on: May 25, 2011, 05:54:22 PM
I'm not really a fully vested member here yet but welcome aboard (sorry, couldn't resist) anyway. I haven't heard the CMOY but from what I've read it is considered a very entry level amp. I would guess the Crack would sound much, much better if for no other reason than it has tubes. I just finished my Crack a week or so ago and am really enjoying it. I don't see myself getting or building anything else for a long time unless I manage to come into a lot of money.

I spent about 24 years in the Air Force so it's nice to see a fellow military person around these parts.



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Reply #2 on: May 26, 2011, 04:27:07 AM
Groomster,

Welcome!  Your excitement will be well founded.  Bottlehead gives a great bang-for-the-buck.  Your headphone impedance will interact with the coupling cap so we will assume that you checked the specs and bought the proper amp for your headphones.

Just a couple of suggestions for assembly.  Check for any manual corrections before you start in the Crack Folder.  Make a good crimped mechanical connection before soldering.  Solder doesn't make the joint it just makes it permanent.  After you see the solder flow wait a couple of seconds before removing the iron so everything is properly heated.  And finally, be kind to the power switch.  I would suggest drilling a small hole through the lugs on the switch to make a crimped joint before soldering.  The power switch can melt if you put a lot of heat into it.  It happens regularly.  It is a good switch but I think it is intended for use with a slip on lug rather than soldering.

Good luck and keep us posted!
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Reply #3 on: May 26, 2011, 01:59:17 PM
The very first project I built was a cmoy, it sounded good the and still does! Been through many others, still have and use AMB's wonderful Mini^3 portable. The crack is in a whole 'nother league no question. You're gonna love it. I build a lot of solid state, a lot with SMD parts so working on the crack was a very different and wonderful experience.The instruction have to be the best on the market, bar none. I want to leave you with a thought made popular on Head-Fi "Sorry about your wallet"!!

Don't let the glasses fool ya, Stand beside me when you measure my size. Don't let false estimations overrule you, soon even you might come to realize. I've been a wizard since my childhood....


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Reply #4 on: May 27, 2011, 01:26:58 AM
   .  .  .   I want to leave you with a thought made popular on Head-Fi "Sorry about your wallet"!!

Bwa Ha, Ha, Ha!  Crack and Bottlehead in general are addictive!



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Reply #5 on: June 03, 2011, 02:21:35 PM
Nice!  I guess you're not going to finish the top surface nor the transformer bell top :-)

I knew ahead of time that I was going to finish mine so had to be patient waiting for the coats to dry.  Then I ultimately spread out the build over a few days.




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Reply #6 on: June 03, 2011, 05:39:40 PM
Congratulations!  Great feeling...been there, love it!!!  Enjoy the music for a month or more THEN build the speedball.  You will want to listen long enough to get 200 hours on the Crack to fully burn in and get 100% accustomed to the sound quality.  When you add the speedball, you can make note of the improvements that you might not notice in the newness and burn in changes currently.  Just an idea, of course....

John

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Reply #7 on: June 03, 2011, 05:45:31 PM
groomster, first off, congratulations!

Second, when you say a tube is getting excessively warm, can we assume you mean the larger one?  And, by excessively warm, do you mean that touching it will instantly raise a blister, or merely that leaving your finger on it is uncomfortable?

BTW, don't worry overly much about touching the tubes; the envelope is simply glass, it's not like a halogen capsule or a 1k tungsten lamp, a little oil won't harm it.  Just wipe it off with a soft cloth once in a while.  Note: if the markings on the tube are important to you, go easy; some of those will wipe right off!

Finally, it sounds to me as if you are listening to the amp while it is breaking in, something I usually do with a new amp.  As a very general rule, after about 50 operating hours, the components get pretty well settled in, and you won't hear much more change until you swap in different tubes.  There are certain exceptions that take much longer, but you get the idea.

If it were me, I would live with it for some time before the upgrade.  Play a lot of music you are very familiar with.  For sure, get it past the 50 hours mentioned above.

Since you have the upgrade in hand, I would certainly recommend that you give it a try, though!  And, give it the same break-in period before listening critically.  Just keep your options open as you go along, in case you want to change it back.
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Reply #8 on: June 03, 2011, 08:50:00 PM
To be perfectly honest, I don't own a Crack, so I can't say anything definitive.  Hopefully, others will comment from direct knowledge.

I can say, though, that if your resistance and Voltage checks were all within tolerance, I would be very much surprised if you have a problem.  Tubes can get pretty warm when they are in use.

It may be of some interest to note how they feel to you after the unit has just been turned on for about ten minutes, but with no music playing through it.  Just "idling" after a cold start.

Jim C.


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Reply #9 on: June 04, 2011, 02:46:47 AM
Mike,

To answer your question about heat, it is normal. The glass of the tubes, the transformer and the attached top plate will get hot. 



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Reply #10 on: June 04, 2011, 06:27:06 AM
Yes, the 6080 gets very hot, too hot to touch. It's supposed to do that.

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Reply #11 on: June 05, 2011, 03:06:27 AM
Hi Groomster.  I wanted to post a reply when you first started this thread but got side tracked for some reason and didnt remember it.   I know exactly how you feel regarding your anticipation of waiting on the kit to arrive.  Sounds like you are about as patient as I am :-P  
A previous neck surgery forces me to leash myself and limit bench time to a couple hours or I end up "paying" for it.  So I was forced to build Crack over the course of 4 or 5 days, including the base. Actually, I pushed the last session and paid for it anyway.   The anticipation was worse for me once I got the kit than it was waiting for it to arrive :-D
I am a bit surprised to read that you didnt hear an immediate difference between Crack and your Cmoy with your Beyers.  I built an AMB Mini 3 (based on Cmoy) and the difference between it and Crack was immediately noticeable and not at all what I would describe as subtle.  My main cans are Beyer 990's (250 ohm).  But the Mini 3 isnt exactly a Cmoy and there are a lot of different variables involved.
Anyway, congrats on the build, happy to read it went smoothly and that you are enjoying it.  And thank you for your service!

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Reply #12 on: June 06, 2011, 12:32:43 PM
I suspect your relatively low impedance, 80 ohm cans, are why you really aren't hearing everything the Crack has to offer Groomster.  When properly paired with high impedance phones, the crack has a serious "wow factor" that does not require golden ears to appreciate.  It is a night and day improvement over any portable amp I've ever heard and bests many/most well regarded commercial desktop options as well, irrespective of cost, per my experience at CanJam.  My prior Woo 3, for example, even with pricey nos tubes, is thoroughly outclassed by the crack. 

If you want to hear your new baby sing, keep an eye out for a deal on a pair of Sennheiser HD600/650's or, alternatively, 250 or 600 ohm Beyers.  Audiogon and head-fi.org's for sale forum are worth a look if you're willing to buy used.   

Mike M.


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Reply #13 on: June 06, 2011, 04:37:33 PM
You ask a good question about the authenticity of Senn headphones on ebay, and the answer is, you generally can't tell.  Much better to buy something from the classifieds on head-fi, though that also doesn't guarantee anything, but chances are that you'll be far more likely to get the real thing there.  If the price looks ridiculously low, then that can be a clue -- figure somewhere in the $200 range for used HD-600s.

Another new option would be the AKG K601s which are also said to be very nice with the Crack, which is one amp these can's seem to like more than a lot of other amps.

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Reply #14 on: June 06, 2011, 05:15:44 PM
I bought my 650's on eBay, actually, for less than $350 (can't remember the exact figure at the moment). They looked like they had never been used and came in a Sennheiser box, so I'm confident they were legit. Even after using Beyer DT880's, they are the best thing I could have done to support my Crack habit! With the Speedball upgrade, a 5998 and clear-top 12AU7, they are the closest I've ever come to my "ideal" for playback of music.