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Offline ssssly

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Reply #15 on: March 19, 2013, 02:23:12 AM
I would start by rechecking the diode. I would probably just replace it. Then check that nothing is touching something it shouldn't be around T1, 2 and 7. And then that the connection at B3 is good.

I'm sure CB will have a more technical solution. He always seems to get me up and running.



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Reply #16 on: March 19, 2013, 03:59:28 AM
I'd touch up the solder joints on the LED that doesn't work.

Also touch up the joints on the 22K resistor between terminals 1 and 2.

All the high voltages are related to this, once that LED is glowing, things will drop into line.

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Reply #17 on: March 19, 2013, 04:38:15 AM
Looks to me like one side of the 12AU7 is not glowing. Could be a bad tube, but more likely a bad connection at A5. Check connections at A4 and A5 (and examine the tube closely while it is on).

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Reply #18 on: March 19, 2013, 09:50:00 PM
Thanks guys for all your helpful replies, they are much appreciated. I tried all the suggestions (apart from a new diode as I don't have one) and nothing worked. My readings are still the same after touching up all the joints on the A and B sockets and the terminals 1,2,7. I even did a few others that looked suspicious. The LED will not come on at all now, so I suspect I will need to ask for a replacement, correct? Then try a new tube? I've resoldered till I'm blue in the face  :o   

Where would I obtain a new LED from?

Any and all suggestions are welcome -- I will get this thing working before my birthday (April 26). I hope.
« Last Edit: March 19, 2013, 11:36:05 PM by harrislp »



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Reply #19 on: March 20, 2013, 04:39:45 AM
You can give us a call and request some replacements, I'm guessing the voltage at T5 is now higher than it should be?

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Reply #20 on: March 20, 2013, 08:56:44 AM
I'm guessing the voltage at T5 is now higher than it should be?

No, it is still reading 84V, same as it was before. terminal 1 is still 154V though.



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Reply #21 on: March 20, 2013, 08:22:44 PM
I switched the diodes around and the same diode that wasn't working before is now not working in the other position, so I guess I have a dead diode. I have emailed Eileen asking for a couple of new ones, is this the correct protocol?



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Reply #22 on: April 01, 2013, 07:55:43 PM
Hello, I'm back again!  8)

Got the replacement LEDs (thanks Eileen for your excellent service) and soldered them in, they both lit up. Excellent. I measured all the voltages and they checked out, did the voltage check on the headphone jack and it was fine. Then I went back and checked the resistances and they all checked out, except the ones with the star in the manual (1,2,4,5 and 13) all showed O.L (outside limits). All the other resistances checked out.

Should I be worried about this, or is it okay? I need to be sure before I plug any headphones in, i'm paranoid after I burnt out a driver in my Beyers after not properly checking the output voltage of the headphone jacks after the initial build.  :'(

Thanks,

harris.



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Reply #23 on: April 01, 2013, 09:51:51 PM
If the voltages on the tubes check out you should be fine.

Enjoy some tunes.



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Reply #24 on: April 01, 2013, 11:21:23 PM

I plugged in some headphones and it worked great for a bit but then it felt weird, like the headphones were getting voltage or something, the same as it did when I burnt out the driver. I turned it off and tried to turn it back on again but the LED has stopped working, on the A8 pin as it did before. I still have one spare LED but I don't want to put it in just so the whole thing happens again. Is it plugging in the headphones that is causing the LED to short out? It was working okay before I plugged in the headphones. The voltages are back to how they were before I replaced the faulty LED (see earlier post), so there's definitely something wrong. It's  lucky I live on the ground floor or else this thing would be in many many pieces. What am I doing wrong that this thing will not work! Very frustrated. What should I try next?
« Last Edit: April 01, 2013, 11:32:12 PM by harrislp »



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Reply #25 on: April 02, 2013, 04:31:25 AM
So terminal 1 now has high voltage again?  Do both sides of the 12AU7 glow?  If one of the LED's isn't lighting, then either that side of the tube isn't getting heat, the LED isn't properly soldered, or the 22K resistor between T1 and T2 isn't properly soldered.

Plugging in the headphones will have no influence on the LED's, the headphone output it on the opposite side of the circuit, isolated by the 6080 and coupling caps. 

I wouldn't just replace the LED again, there is some evidence that this wasn't the problem to begin with.  Check the connections and components that go to A4/5, A6, A7, and A9.

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Reply #26 on: April 02, 2013, 10:57:15 AM
I took a picture of the unit when it is on. I don't think the 12AU7 is working properly, there were two filaments that lit up before the LED blew out but now that doesn't seem to be the case. I'll try reflowing and resoldering again after work and see how that goes, but this one is the most puzzling to me of the myriad problems I've had with this thing. It seems to work for a bit and then get overloaded or something. Thanks for your help, hopefully it's just another soldering issue.

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Reply #27 on: April 02, 2013, 11:49:42 AM
Try pulling the 12AU7 tube and measuring resistance across pin 4 and pin 9, and then across pin 5 and pin 9. Those are the two halves of the heater. Each should read low ohms.

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Reply #28 on: April 02, 2013, 10:00:34 PM
I got around 6.5 ohms each for these two measurements, Doc. I assume that's normal?



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Reply #29 on: April 03, 2013, 04:53:46 AM
Yeah, that means the tube heater is OK. So if one half is not lighting there may be an issue with the tube socket or the wires connected to pins 4,5 and 9. Or the heater might be working OK and just looks odd. The next check should be to see if you measure 6 volts or so from B4 to B9 and from B5 to B9.

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