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on: May 23, 2013, 05:53:27 AM
When the Q is hooked up to my SS Sansui main in jacks I get a very low muffled sound. When hooked up to my ST70 there is no sound - nothing.
Any ideas?
Dan



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Reply #1 on: May 23, 2013, 06:02:55 AM
Has it worked before, or are you trying it for the first time?

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Reply #2 on: May 23, 2013, 06:03:22 AM
I should mention that all resistance and voltage measurements checkout as per manual.



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Reply #3 on: May 23, 2013, 06:27:22 AM
I had it hooked up before but sounded very shrill - clearly not what I was hoping for. So I went through the build sheet from the beginning and discovered 2 issues. 1. I had soldered the 1K resistor where the 475K goes - switched them around and all was well with my resistance values. In checking voltages I discovered that I had 1 dead 9 volt battery - replaced it with a fresh battery and voltages are within a couple of percentages of manual.
 Also discovered that terminal 5 on the rotary switch moves freely. It moves laterally when you turn the switch. This terminal goes to the lower input rca. I have requested a replacement switch so in the mean time I am using the other inputs.
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Reply #4 on: May 23, 2013, 07:22:44 AM
If voltages are good, here are some possibilities for why the output is low or not there at all:

Input and output cables reversed.

Input or output jacks shorted by a solder bridge between the center pin and the outer shell.

Switch contacts compromised from overheating - I suggest this because of the loose lug you mention.


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Reply #5 on: May 23, 2013, 07:59:35 AM
If voltages are good, here are some possibilities for why the output is low or not there at all
Voltage good

Input and output cables reversed.
Hooked back up to Sansui making sure cables not reversed. Same low volume muffled sound.   

Input or output jacks shorted by a solder bridge between the center pin and the outer shell.
I don't see any bridging

Switch contacts compromised from overheating - I suggest this because of the loose lug you mention. The switch may have been damaged by heat but I don't know how to determine that.
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Reply #6 on: May 23, 2013, 08:22:35 AM
Another observation - There is a hum that is not affected by volume. Hum doubles in loudness when I turn the amp off and then fades to no sound within 5 seconds.



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Reply #7 on: May 23, 2013, 09:08:25 AM
OK, you had sound initially, and then you changed some stuff and now you have no sound. So go back and inspect the things you changed. Are the reconnected parts connected to the proper terminals?




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Reply #8 on: May 23, 2013, 11:03:12 AM
As you are going to replace the switch anyway , why don't you remove it and  wire one set of inputs direct...John 

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Reply #9 on: May 23, 2013, 02:06:03 PM
Okay I've gone through all the changes that I had made I don't see anything askew and again all values are as they should be.
I'm hoping the problem is the switch.
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Reply #10 on: May 24, 2013, 10:24:49 AM
Sounds like its going to be a few days before BH has the switch in stock. To take the switch out of the equation as John suggests am I simply connecting the red wires from the right and left jacks together?
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Reply #11 on: May 24, 2013, 11:32:37 AM
I don't have a Quickie so I am guessing a bit. I am thinking that there are 2 or more sets of input jacks that go to the switch, then from the switch to the pot.

 If that is it, for the right channel, disconnect the wire that goes to the pot at the switch side and disconnect the wire from the center pin of one of the R input jacks and connect these two wires together.

Do the same for the Left channel and cover the connections with a bit of tape...John 

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Reply #12 on: May 24, 2013, 03:42:45 PM
This is one of those 'opportunities' to try to get your head around what each wire does, which one is hot, which is ground etc. I tell ya though, once you get to know this little puppy inside and out, its really fun to mess with it. Now that I think about it, removing that switch was the first mod I did. I didnt need more than one input.

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Reply #13 on: May 24, 2013, 04:05:40 PM
I'll tell you Eric when I retrieve the little bastard from the roof I would like to ask you specifically how you wired the RCA's. it looks like I would simply run the wires from left and right RCA's that currently go to the switch and connect them. Yes?
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Reply #14 on: May 24, 2013, 04:50:40 PM
Right. I just looked at the Quickie manual to remember what to do, I didnt use their wire so my wires are all the same color, but basically, the switch is wired into the positive circuit, but it is easy to take it out. What you need to follow, is to first identify what is positive, negative, and ground on the pot. There are three poles for each channel. One channel stacked on the other. Looking down on the pot from the bottom, going from left to right, the poles are positive, negative then ground. On the bottom of the RCA jack the middle post is positive, and the outer ring is ground. You will notice that all the grounds are hooked together. When you take the switch out you want to wire one pair of RCAs directly to the pot. Positive on the left pole, negative in the middle, ground on the right. The only wire you are changing is the positive. That is the one that gets routed through the switch. Both negative and ground stay the same. Hope that helps!

Cheers - Eric

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