Tube Rolling w/Crack

[tyj]

Iv recently tried genalex gold lion ecc82(new reproduction) with a tung sol 5998 best combo iv so far Very detailed neutral sound very happy with the combo

[kscwuzhere]

Iv recently tried genalex gold lion ecc82(new reproduction) with a tung sol 5998 best combo iv so far Very detailed neutral sound very happy with the combo

Which cans are you using them with?

[tyj]

Iv recently tried genalex gold lion ecc82(new reproduction) with a tung sol 5998 best combo iv so far Very detailed neutral sound very happy with the combo

Which cans are you using them with?

880dt  (250ohm)

[xcoolhandx]

Anyone tried  E182CC,will it work ??

[Paul Birkeland]

The photos have been lost, but it was done here:

http://bottlehead.com/smf/index.php/topic,2587.msg21017.html#msg21017

The C4S current had to be increased, and the LED's biasing the cathodes were switched to blue LED's for more bias voltage. 

[xcoolhandx]

Thank you Caucasian

[ashneel]

@klots
this will probably be your best bet for the money
http://www.ebay.nl/itm/THE-ULTIMATE-NOS-Tesla-ECC802S-12au7-ECC82-tube-Ships-from-US-/171253161671?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item27df7bdec7&_uhb=1

Does anyone know where can I get the Bendix 6080wb tube? Seems to be pretty rare nowadays, I was always curious to how it'll sound with some Mullards ECC82

Bendix were easy to get few years ago but as of late you might end up waiting for months to find one on ebay and most likely you will have to pay around $150 here in US to get one (I recently purchased one ) ,this tube don't like Crack much ,I have try all types of driver tube to pair it with on Crack and it still doesn't sound right ,this is night and day when running on my DV366SE (just epic)

I got those Bendix for $80 from Turkey..Its not a Bargain, but I'm going to try these with my HD650. If it's not to my taste, I can always sell it

[JamieMcC]

My postman dropped off a little brown package this morning inside a Tung-sol/Bendix 6080wb  I had been curious to try a graphite tube for a while now.

Based only on couple of hours so far its almost like a cross between a 5998 and the Mullard 6080wa. It has a big, bold, fast sound which is punchy and dynamic.

Its darker weightier and more tubey sounding than a 5998 while keeping some of its refinement but not quiet with the same levels of resolution and finesse as the 5998. There is more slam and punch to the bass!

Sound stage reminds me of the Mullard its got that detached holographic surreal-ness to it with lots of air and separation. Its certainly stands out as being different to the tubes I have tried so far.

(https://www.head-fi.org/content/type/61/id/1082569/width/350/height/700/flags/LL)

(https://www.head-fi.org/content/type/61/id/1082570/width/350/height/700/flags/LL)

[serpent68]

Jamie, your observations on the Bendix 6080WB are similar to mine.  I'm constantly torn between the 6080WB and the 5998... for certain music such as rock and electronic music, the 6080WB is clearly superior with its more dynamic sound and punchy bass.  With Jazz and vocals, the 5998 trumps it convincingly.

My favourite 2 combinations (using a Beyer T90):
1. TS 5998 + CBS Hytron 5814A for jazz, vocals, acoustic music
2. Bendix 6080WB + Philips E80CC for rock, electronic music.

I am curious to try the Genalex 6AS7G, but the price is prohibitive.  How would you describe the Genalex relative to the TS5998 and the Bendix 6080WB?

[xcoolhandx]

^^^ try to pair it with 6SN7 guys
EDIT ;some power tubes prefer larger driver tubes ;
GEC A1834-6AS7G+ 6SN7=win
GEC A1834-6AS7G+12AU7=not that great
5998+6SN7 =not that great
Bendix red bank +6SN7 =win
Bendix+12AU7/E80CC=suck
TS 7236+12AU7=win

[JamieMcC]

Jamie, your observations on the Bendix 6080WB are similar to mine.  I'm constantly torn between the 6080WB and the 5998... for certain music such as rock and electronic music, the 6080WB is clearly superior with its more dynamic sound and punchy bass.  With Jazz and vocals, the 5998 trumps it convincingly.

My favourite 2 combinations (using a Beyer T90):
1. TS 5998 + CBS Hytron 5814A for jazz, vocals, acoustic music
2. Bendix 6080WB + Philips E80CC for rock, electronic music.

I am curious to try the Genalex 6AS7G, but the price is prohibitive.  How would you describe the Genalex relative to the TS5998 and the Bendix 6080WB?

The Glenalex I had to look it up and found its another name for the CEC/OSRAM/MOV tube A1834 CV2523.

If I could keep only one tube it would be Genalex/GEC

Nick Tam did a ranking of the 6as7g's the full piece from the old site is linked below

This is what he has to say on the GEC

"The "Super Tube", the "Holy Grail" of all 6AS7Gs. The GEC 6AS7G is very balanced in each aspect, good micro detailing and extremely analytical. The soundstage is very spacious, and has lots of air. Layering is very good and is probably the best of all British tubes. The differences between the curved and straight base are near indiscernible, so there’s no need to extra big bucks for the curved brown base in particular."

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The micro detailing is the thing I find most appealing the layering and clarity or the resolution reveals subtle nuances in tone and texture that I find beguiling. The cravat is you need to be in the zone free from distractions and singly focus on the music. With that in mind it only gets plugged in for such occasions rather than general listening. Such occasions often also include a large scotch.

If I am working on the pc then really any of the 6080's I find enjoyable for background listening. The 5998 is close but just not quiet in the same league and I prefer it for general leisure listening. I would say if your using HD650's then stick with the 5998 as the GEC''s finer qualities are rather lost on my HD650's they are just are not resolving enough. Plug in the T1's and its different story.

link

http://the-key.enix.org/~krystal/review-tube-bottlehead.html

[serpent68]

Jamie, your observations on the Bendix 6080WB are similar to mine.  I'm constantly torn between the 6080WB and the 5998... for certain music such as rock and electronic music, the 6080WB is clearly superior with its more dynamic sound and punchy bass.  With Jazz and vocals, the 5998 trumps it convincingly.

My favourite 2 combinations (using a Beyer T90):
1. TS 5998 + CBS Hytron 5814A for jazz, vocals, acoustic music
2. Bendix 6080WB + Philips E80CC for rock, electronic music.

I am curious to try the Genalex 6AS7G, but the price is prohibitive.  How would you describe the Genalex relative to the TS5998 and the Bendix 6080WB?

The Glenalex I had to look it up and found its another name for the CEC/OSRAM/MOV tube A1834 CV2523.

If I could keep only one tube it would be Genalex/GEC

Nick Tam did a ranking of the 6as7g's the full piece from the old site is linked below

This is what he has to say on the GEC

"The "Super Tube", the "Holy Grail" of all 6AS7Gs. The GEC 6AS7G is very balanced in each aspect, good micro detailing and extremely analytical. The soundstage is very spacious, and has lots of air. Layering is very good and is probably the best of all British tubes. The differences between the curved and straight base are near indiscernible, so there’s no need to extra big bucks for the curved brown base in particular."

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The micro detailing is the thing I find most appealing the layering and clarity or the resolution reveals subtle nuances in tone and texture that I find beguiling. The cravat is you need to be in the zone free from distractions and singly focus on the music. With that in mind it only gets plugged in for such occasions rather than general listening. Such occasions often also include a large scotch.

If I am working on the pc then really any of the 6080's I find enjoyable for background listening. The 5998 is close but just not quiet in the same league and I prefer it for general leisure listening. I would say if your using HD650's then stick with the 5998 as the GEC''s finer qualities are rather lost on my HD650's they are just are not resolving enough. Plug in the T1's and its different story.

link

http://the-key.enix.org/~krystal/review-tube-bottlehead.html

Thanks for your impression, Jamie.  I meant to say GEC 6AS7G in my previous post, but somehow mixed it up by saying Genalex.

What do you pair the GEC with?  I'm very tempted now after hearing your good impressions, and even more so when you are using a Beyer like me (though your T1 is clearly better than the T90 I have).

Btw, a nice dose of the old single malt scotch never fails to increase the enjoyment factor for me

[xcoolhandx]

The differences between the curved and straight base are near indiscernible

..this could be true if you comparing same brand,year ,etc  ,I have both and I would say that the Haltron GEC/MOV/Hammersmith/ A1834/6AS7G which is the real "..grail"sounds better  that the tube you referring to,just my 2C

 

[serpent68]

^^^ try to pair it with 6SN7 guys
EDIT ;some power tubes prefer larger driver tubes ;
GEC A1834-6AS7G+ 6SN7=win
GEC A1834-6AS7G+12AU7=not that great
5998+6SN7 =not that great
Bendix red bank +6SN7 =win
Bendix+12AU7/E80CC=suck
TS 7236+12AU7=win

Which 6SN7 tube did you pair with the Bendix?  I've tried a Sylvania VT231 with the TS 5998 and was underwhelmed by it.

[JamieMcC]

I have narrowed my input tubes down to only four now

Siemens/Tungsram  E80cc
Mullard cv4003 (box plate)
Tung Sol 12au7 Black Glass 
Tung Sol 12au7 JTL

I find they work well so have just stuck with them.