Any advantage to replacing PS resistors with chokes?

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Offline Tubejack

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I was curious if anyone say an advantage to replacing either one or both of the 270R PS resistors in the CRCR with a choke, e.g., Hammond 155H - 270R @50MA.  I am also planning to install the Speedball. C4S.

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Reply #1 on: May 17, 2010, 07:03:55 AM
This is interesting, Bottleheads often replaced one of the power supply resistors with a choke in the FP 2.  The Paramour upgrade used a power supply choke.  The Paramount uses a choke in the heater supply.

It seems that with fully shunt regulated circuits there is no advantage (Paramount and Eros).  But it would be interesting to see if someone tries it in Crack.



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Reply #2 on: May 17, 2010, 08:44:40 AM
In a highly modified Crack that I have here, I did indeed use a choke in the power supply (Triad C7X).  The Hammond 155H won't work so well, as the Crack draws more than 50ma. 

I would suspect that a single Hammond 157L or 158L would do in place of the two 270 ohm resistors.  Just double up the power supply caps after the choke.  (I haven't tried this, so don't be too shocked if it might be nosier than it should be)

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Reply #3 on: May 17, 2010, 09:09:37 AM
Paul,

Are you suggesting a CLC (doubled) filter or an LC (doubled) filter?  I think I remember that the stock filter is CRCRC.
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Reply #4 on: May 17, 2010, 09:20:56 AM
CLC.  Just LC would have tremendous voltage drop.

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Reply #5 on: March 24, 2012, 01:00:00 PM
Was just reading this post, because I'm thinking of replace the first 270R resistor with a Triad choke and before doing so I wanted to review previous posts and see if there was anything on the subject. I already have 1 choke installed in a CRCLC configuration. Since I have a second choke I thought what the help why not use it. From what I gather from the previous posts If I install the second choke in a CLCLC configuration I should at least double the capacitance of the last cap.

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Reply #6 on: March 27, 2012, 10:13:01 AM
I was hoping to get some feedback on my last post. Anyone?

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Reply #7 on: March 27, 2012, 10:55:02 AM
There has been discussion back and fourth.  I would think that the second resistor replaced with a choke makes it closer to the audio circuit.  I think PJ suggests replacing the first resistor.  So the Triad for the first one would be a good step.



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Reply #8 on: March 27, 2012, 04:54:09 PM
Since I have a second choke I will put it in and look at doubling all the caps in the power supply to something like 470uF.

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Reply #9 on: March 28, 2012, 01:02:33 AM
The biggest improvement in caps is the final cap.  Making it a low ESR cap makes an audible difference.



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Reply #10 on: March 28, 2012, 03:07:06 AM
Right now I'm using the supplied electrolytic caps and have a 2.0uF Clarity bypassing the last cap. I want to double all the electrolytic caps when I install the second Triad choke.

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Reply #11 on: March 28, 2012, 12:43:58 PM
Doubling all the caps in your power supply is not necessarily a good idea.

There is a very nice and simple power supply design application available for free on the net called PSUD2. It lives on a site called duncanamps. You should definitely install it and play with the simulations, if you want to get your power supplies to work properly.



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Reply #12 on: March 28, 2012, 01:43:08 PM
Thanks for the information. I will give it a try and see how it works and if changing the caps makes sense.

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Reply #13 on: March 28, 2012, 03:42:27 PM
+1 for PSUD2!!
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Reply #14 on: March 29, 2012, 06:48:39 AM
I downloaded the PSUD2 software and played with it a little, but not sure what I'm looking at. Is there a site with information on interpreting the data?

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