Finished Crack build, need help with low voltages [resolved]

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Reply #15 on: June 02, 2015, 12:12:14 PM
Thanks for the reply.
Do you mean measure voltage or resistance? I want to check before applying power without the tube.

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Reply #16 on: June 02, 2015, 12:55:46 PM
Measure voltage with no 6080 installed.

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Reply #17 on: June 02, 2015, 01:14:52 PM
Thanks,

Voltages are:
1 - 95 VDC
2 - 224 VDC
4 - 224 VDC
5 - 8 VDC


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Reply #18 on: June 02, 2015, 01:21:18 PM
OK, now repeat the test with both tubes pulled.

Do note that the power supply will take several minutes to drain down after you turn the amplifier off when run with no tubes.

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Reply #19 on: June 02, 2015, 01:31:07 PM
With both tubes pulled

1 - 225 VDC
2 - 230 VDC
4 - 225 VDC
5 - 9 VDC

Thanks

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Reply #20 on: June 02, 2015, 01:34:05 PM
What resistance do you get between A1 and A2?


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Reply #21 on: June 02, 2015, 02:13:52 PM
With or without the tube the measurement was the same. Resistance value varied like a capacitor was in circuit but averaged between 30K - 40K. Resistance shot down when I reversed the leads but would eventually begin to rise.

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Reply #22 on: June 02, 2015, 02:14:40 PM
I do appreciate you sticking with me here.

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Reply #23 on: June 02, 2015, 06:03:42 PM
This sure is an odd one.  Can you measure the resistance of the 22.1K resistor across terminals 4 and 5?  You should be able to do this with it soldered into the circuit (with the amp off of course).

Either the 22.1K resistor is open, or there's some bizarre short in the circuit that I can't see that's pulling the voltage at T5 down. 

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Reply #24 on: June 03, 2015, 01:16:15 AM
Good morning,

The resistance across t4 and 5 measures 22.1k. I also measured the resistance from t5 to ground with the 12AU7 in place; this measured similarly to the A1 to A2, as if a cap is in circuit. 
After work today I will recheck all wiring and see if I made a mistake somewhere that I missed the first time I checked.

Thanks again.

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Reply #25 on: June 03, 2015, 06:23:02 AM
You should be able to measure from T5 to ground without too much fuss, is it the same as T1 to ground?

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Reply #26 on: June 03, 2015, 10:43:36 AM
I borrowed a better meter and performed resistance checks. T1 to ground and t5 to ground are basically the same starting at 30k and going up until I remove the leads. If I reverse the leads the circuit reads short. If I leave the reversed leads on points the the resistance will eventually climb as before leads were reversed.

Man I wish I had an analog meter.

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Reply #27 on: June 04, 2015, 04:13:25 AM
Last night I did a thorough visual check of the wiring on my Crack. I see no discrepancies. Have to admit it is a easier now that I'm familiar with the thing.
After checking and measuring voltages again I decided to resolder the 22.1K resistor at t4 and t5. Voltages remained the same after touch up. T4 224VDC and T5 8VDC.
Wish there was one of those head scratching emoticons.

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Reply #28 on: June 04, 2015, 04:30:42 AM
Try putting the resistor back in.  I believe the resistor may not have been properly installed, and wasn't allowing half the 12AU7 to conduct.

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Reply #29 on: June 04, 2015, 06:05:20 AM
Reinstalled the resistor and measured 22.2k ohms from B5 to A1. I used these points to ensure I wasn't moving any part of the resistor's connection. I then measured voltage at T5 and it was 9VDC. This measurement was with the 12AU7 in place and without the 6080 installed.
Voltage at T1 is 90VDC. The other side of tube seems to be working fine.

Tim

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