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Offline dheffer

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Troubleshooting Crack-a-two-a Resistance Checks
« on: December 08, 2016, 05:00:36 AM »
Finished building my crack-a-two-a.  Going through and running resistance checks, I have one that is off.

Terminal 5 reads 4.3K ohms (vs. 2.2K).  Terminal 15, on the other side, correctly reads 2.2K.

I've tried re-soldering and checking where I can, but can't seem to see anything else to try.  Any helpful hints from the experts on what to focus on?

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Re: Troubleshooting Crack-a-two-a Resistance Checks
« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2016, 10:24:19 AM »
Both terminals 5 and 15 are wired to the headphone jack.  At the tip and the ring connections on the headphone jack, there's a 2.2K resistor to the sleeve (ground) connection on the headphone jack.   If the 2.2K resistor is there and properly soldered in, you'll get 2.2K to ground from 5 and 15.  If you have the resistors improperly connected (say you have a 2.2K resistor between tip and ring), then you could easily get 4.3K at one of the terminals (and a ton of signal bleed between channels). 

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Re: Troubleshooting Crack-a-two-a Resistance Checks
« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2016, 01:05:26 PM »
Both terminals 5 and 15 are wired to the headphone jack.  At the tip and the ring connections on the headphone jack, there's a 2.2K resistor to the sleeve (ground) connection on the headphone jack.   If the 2.2K resistor is there and properly soldered in, you'll get 2.2K to ground from 5 and 15.  If you have the resistors improperly connected (say you have a 2.2K resistor between tip and ring), then you could easily get 4.3K at one of the terminals (and a ton of signal bleed between channels). 

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Hey - thanks - that's exactly it.  I put the 2.2K between the tip and ring.  I was focused on everything upstream (from the cap backwards) and missed that.  Appreciate your help.  Time to head to radio shack!

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Re: Troubleshooting Crack-a-two-a Resistance Checks
« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2016, 01:31:48 PM »
If you need new resistors, anything between 1.2K and 2.5K is going to be fine.  Wattage is extremely unimportant here.
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Re: Troubleshooting Crack-a-two-a Resistance Checks
« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2016, 02:38:36 PM »
Thanks - I was actually able to save the existing one.

Running through my voltages check, wanted to see if anyone had any advice on where to turn -

- All tubes illuminate
- LEDs on A side only of High Current boards are lit
         IA = 217V
         All others are 0V
- Low current board is unlit / no voltage
- "A" tube socket LEDs are unlit

Guessing it's wiring around the "A" tube socket (6088) rather than the high-current boards - only a guess though.  Any guesses as where to best focus on where the error might be?  That last tip really saved my butt  8)

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Re: Troubleshooting Crack-a-two-a Resistance Checks
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2016, 02:39:12 PM »
Check the jumpers on the high current C4S boards.  If OA is 0V, then you may have a jumper that's grounding out the output voltage.  If you'd like a second set of eyes, feel free to post photos of your build and we may be able to spot the error.

Also, if OA on both sides is 0V, then the error has likely been replicated in both channels.

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Re: Troubleshooting Crack-a-two-a Resistance Checks
« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2017, 11:37:28 AM »
Finally got around to spending some time on trying to troubleshoot... Tried re-soldering on every point on one of the high current boards, but no luck... Both high current boards show the same issue:

IA = 220V
OA = 0V
LEDs on the "A" side
No LEDs lit on the "B" side
IB = 0V
OB = 0V

I've attached photos of one of the high current boards.  Please let me know if any other views might help!  Appreciate any advice I can get!  Thanks

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Re: Troubleshooting Crack-a-two-a Resistance Checks
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2017, 01:13:20 AM »
Looks like you've got a 147K ohm resistor in the R1 Position on the A side.  Should be a 13 ohm part.  Page 45 in the manual.
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Re: Troubleshooting Crack-a-two-a Resistance Checks
« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2017, 04:21:51 AM »
Thanks, thats a huge help!  I'll blame it on being partially color blind  ;D

I need to buy 2 new 147K parts, as the metal leads are clipped to close to work on the low voltage boards (the holes are much farther apart).

I'm having trouble finding exactly what I need - any advice on where to purchase?  I seem to find plenty of 1/2W metal film resistor, but not in the 147K variety.  Just can't seem to track down the right thing.  Would a 150K ohm 1/2W carbon film resistor be OK/close enough?

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Re: Troubleshooting Crack-a-two-a Resistance Checks
« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2017, 09:11:41 AM »
Jump on Mouser.com and search:
271-13-RC
MF1/2CC1473F

Those should be the exact (or close) parts that came with your kit.

Best,

-T

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Re: Troubleshooting Crack-a-two-a Resistance Checks
« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2017, 07:34:17 PM »
If the resistors are OK just add a short length of wire long enough to reach the new positions.

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Re: Troubleshooting Crack-a-two-a Resistance Checks
« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2021, 01:52:54 PM »
So... blast from the past here, I finally got around to ordering the replacement resistors.  Just took me four years  ;D

Have everything installed and pass resistance checks.

Bad news, I get some funky voltage readings:

Low Current C4S

IA          337V      335V
OA         330V      180V
kRegA    14V         10V
bRegA    336V      335V

High Current C4S

IA          407V     410V
OA         335V     335V
bA          0V          0V

IB           0V          0V
OB          220V      325V
bB          335V       335V

Any advice on where next to troubleshoot?

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Re: Troubleshooting Crack-a-two-a Resistance Checks
« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2021, 01:56:56 PM »
Having such high voltages means you likely have a broken wire (or a bunch of broken wires).  We just went through a similar exercise with another C2A builder who had a broken wire between the power supply (where the 220uF caps are) and one of the high current C4S boards. 

He then continued to have enough problems that he sent the amp in for repair and I will be working on it shortly. ]

What DC voltage do you see between 24 and 25?  How about 30 and 31?

Paul "PB" Birkeland

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