Reel to Reel decisions

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Offline ALL212

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on: December 10, 2017, 02:38:50 AM
It's quite possible I'll be looking into a reel to reel next year.  I'm wondering why the Technics and Otari brands have been chosen?  I once had an Akai GX 635D but eventually it began to fail and I sold it - my mistake!  Those Technics 1500 series were always the desired unit but the price tag at that time was beyond my reach.

I've also got space for one of these monsters after moving some equipment around.  A full 10" reel unit doesn't scare me.

Other than Technics or Otari are there other brands to begin to search for?  Or are those top dog and forget the rest?

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Aaron

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Reply #1 on: December 10, 2017, 05:54:14 AM
From the standpoint of "best" the top dogs for me are Ampex pro machines and Studers. The Nagra T is up there, as are the Otari pro decks like the MTR-15 and MTR-20. There are other choices too. Except for the Nagra these are all enormous decks. We bought all sorts of machines in the early 2000s and the RS1500 series and later Otari MX5050 series were among the best equipped, most prevalent and what users seemed to think the most highly of what I termed prosumer decks back when we started the Tape Project.  There are certainly other nice decks like Tascam, Revox, Akai, high end Sony, etc. Figure out what you want to do with the deck you buy - 10" reels? - 15 ips? -
 2 track? 4 track? - what you are willing to spend, and then look for one that has the features you need in your price range.

It's also best to assume they will need some work unless you buy a refurbed unit from someone like J-Corder or United Home Audio. It's quite common for people to pay a high price for a cosmetically nice deck that "was only used for three hours and then stored in a closet for 20 years" and find that it needs a clean/lube/adjust and maybe even new rubber parts or capacitors.

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Reply #2 on: December 10, 2017, 02:36:02 PM
Thanks Doc!  I appreciate the information.

Aaron

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Reply #3 on: December 24, 2017, 03:27:02 PM
A couple of additional 10.5" capable decks to consider: Pioneer RT 909 and TEAC X1000. I have no personal experience with the Pioneer, and never see them come up for sale, but they seem to be common enough in the US and Europe. The TEAC X1000 is a very nice deck (but it doesn't do 15 ips), and reasonably easy to work inside, which given the nature of R2R and the age of the format, you're likely to have to do at some point. As mentioned by Doc B, machines don't usually come to you in perfect working condition and you're likely to have to learn how to do some maintenance yourself or find someone who can, which given the weight of tape decks and relative rarity of technicians is going to involve some trouble and expense.

You should probably join a tape forum, Tapeheads is an obvious one. It has the usual variation of members that you find on other highly specialist forums, which is to say there are some prickly personalities on there. And rather more, er, patriotism than I am comfortable with. But you can get extremely useful information on the full range of tape decks really, along with other audio equipment.

A couple of advantages of the Technics deck deck over the TEAC is that it is 15 ips, and it's not belt drive. If you buy a belt drive deck like the TEAC, it's likely you'll need to replace the installed belt right away, and periodically thereafter. It's not too difficult or expensive, but not doing it is more fun than doing it, and on certain tape decks the belt is not as easy to access. The Technics eliminates that problem.

If I was suggesting a deck to someone with a casual rather than hardcore interest in reel-to-reel, I'd say go for the Technics RS1500, the TEAC 1000 (I have read that the 2000 may not be a great idea), or the Pioneer RT909. (I also like the far older TEAC A-series). The first two seem to be endlessly available, which is a point in their favour. You don't really want a machine that has a frequent point of failure for which you can't easily get spare parts. This is occasionally the reason why certain machines or makers are deprecated; you're not looking only at the quality of decks as they were when reel-to-reel was cutting edge, but at how they can be expected to perform (and be maintained) today, 30 to 40 years after the fact.

I have nothing against the other makers/suppliers that Doc B suggests, other than cost and availability. None of those are affordable options for me and some of them are difficult to acquire where I live. I see Studers/Revox in battered condition at high cost, when they're available at all. Ampex I never see at all.

If you're really going to go with this, be prepared for some cost well above and beyond the base price of the deck, wherever you source it from. Look for example at the price of pinch rollers for your machine; at some point, often immediately after buying, you'll need to replace it/them (see Terry's Rubber Rollers website for an idea of prices). Tape's not cheap either, and how long it'll continue to be available is anyone's guess. Even ignoring the cost of tape, you're almost certainly going to put hundreds of dollars into any machine after you've bought it, if you actually keep it running. It's pretty hard to avoid.



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Reply #4 on: December 24, 2017, 03:33:56 PM
I usually recommend the MX-5050 BII-2 or BIII over the RS1500 or the TEAC. It's a more rugged, semi pro deck and it's easier to find parts for.

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Reply #5 on: December 26, 2017, 02:34:52 AM
Sorry, I overlooked Otari. If I could find one in good shape, I would definitely be happy to own one, funds permitting. Unfortunately, all of the ones I've seen in my part of the world looked pretty knocked about. If I ever find one in good condition at a time when I have available budget, I'll snap it up.