Resistance Checks help

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Offline deltaray

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on: September 20, 2018, 12:53:36 AM
So I just completed my Crack and I'm a bit clueless on the resistance checks. I'm not entirely sure I'm doing it right.

So here are the measurements

Terminal       Resistance       Measured
 
1           *          *
2           *          *
3           0 ohms          0 ohms
4           *          *
5           *          *
6           0 ohms       unstable number, starts out at 30 ohm and value slowly decreases
7           2.9K ohms       2.9k ohms
8           0 ohms          0 ohms
9           2.9K ohms       2.9K ohms
10         0 ohms         1.2K ohms
12        0 ohms          0 ohms
13        *          *
14        0 ohms          0 ohms
20        0 ohms           0 ohms
22           0 ohms              0 ohms
 
B3         2.9K ohms       2.9K ohms
B6         2.9K ohms       2.9K ohms
 
RCA jacks:    (not entirely sure where to place the dmm pins)
Ground lug        0 ohms         ??
Center pin        90K ohms—100K ohms  ???

However I did try the crack out with headphones and found no issue with the sound. Is this too dangerous?



Offline Paul Birkeland

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Reply #1 on: September 20, 2018, 03:58:31 AM
Was your Crack purchased recently?  (is the file name for the manual Crack 1-1?)

The resistances at 6 and 10 would prevent me from using it or powering it up.  There is a wire from 6 to the headphone jack and a wire from 10 to the headphone jack.  Without headphones plugged in, these wires are shorted to ground through the headphone jack (in the 1-1 version of the manual).  For you to get the resistance values that you see, these connections are not properly being made, and it's likely that there is a connection issue at the headphone jack itself.

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Reply #2 on: September 20, 2018, 01:10:04 PM
Yes, the manual is the "Crack 1.1 Manual".

I see, then it could be that i'm performing the tests wrongly. This because i'm able to power it up, listen to music through my 6xx. I don't notice any hum and stereo imaging is fine.

puzzling though.. is there any place where i can refer to on how the resistance voltage check are to be properly done?



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Reply #3 on: September 20, 2018, 01:11:26 PM
Since nearly all of your resistances were in spec, this is not an issue with how you're measuring the resistances.

The resistance failures do indicate a potential safety problem though, how are the solder joints on your headphone jack?

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Reply #4 on: September 20, 2018, 08:10:19 PM
For the ground lug and centre pin, where do i place the pins at for the testing?

Below are the pictures of the solder work of the headphone jack.



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Reply #5 on: September 21, 2018, 01:59:14 AM
There is very little solder on any of these terminals. Add some more and leave the iron on until it flows out. You don't need to fill the holes but if that does happen it's no problem. Solder should be shiny with a smooth shape.



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Reply #6 on: September 21, 2018, 04:15:38 AM
Yes, those are not soldered. 

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Reply #7 on: September 21, 2018, 03:17:22 PM
Thanks for the guidance. Added more solder to those joints. Now able to pass the resistance and voltage tests.

I however now noticing channel imbalance on the left side. I didn't do anything to the potentiometer, any places I should look at?

edit: this is me cranking the volume to near full and dropping the output volume. there is sound from both sides but the left side is noticeably more.

edit2: also should this bother me, given that I intend to do a speedball upgrade soon which may impact the LR channels anyway?
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Reply #8 on: September 22, 2018, 02:37:29 AM
Always best to leave the SB fitment until the Crack is working correctly and reliably. I would also politely say that if the headphone jack soldering is consistent with the rest of the build, it would be a good idea to check and correct/reflow all of the other connections. That may well cure the imbalance you are now reporting.



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Reply #9 on: September 22, 2018, 06:10:50 AM
Can you post your voltages?

Given the small snippet of photos you provided, I would suggest that your low channel may be caused by a flaky solder joint.

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Reply #10 on: September 22, 2018, 10:12:42 PM
Really appreciate your help in diagnosing the issues.

The voltages are as follows
1. 85V
2. 186V
3. 0.7V
4. 186V
5. 81V

6. 0.3V
7. 117V
8. 0.6V
9. 111V
10. 0.3V



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Reply #11 on: September 23, 2018, 04:41:31 AM
Which terminal are you using as ground for your meter probe?

0.3V DC is pretty low, but may indicate that you have a solder joint along the ground buss that isn't quite doing its job all the way.

-PB

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Reply #12 on: September 23, 2018, 10:47:00 AM
That would be 12U per the manual right?

I’m attaching crocodile clips to the meters probes and then to these terminals.

Which terminals and joints should I check out in particular?



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Reply #13 on: September 23, 2018, 01:47:01 PM
Anything with a black wire attached to it.

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Reply #14 on: September 23, 2018, 04:05:29 PM
I see it now, so that bare buss wire through the hole of the safety ground lug needs to be completely soldered through.

Thank you!