Eros 2 Step-up Transformers

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on: September 28, 2018, 06:13:58 AM
Incorporated into the Eros 2 are a couple of holes for mounting step-up transformers.  We have used, with great success, the step-up transformers from Sowter.  Just be sure to pick "threaded grommet style E" when ordering so they mount right up in the holes we provide.
Sowter Step-ups
Cinemag transformers with the threaded bushing mount will also fit:
Cinemag Step-ups
Jensen transformers will work, but will require adding some extra holes to the chassis:
Jensen step-ups
Terminals have been left available to provide convenient locations for secondary loading resistors.  Primary loading resistors and loading caps can be installed across each RCA jack.  Instructions for proper installation of step-up transformers will be forthcoming shortly.

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Reply #1 on: October 21, 2018, 06:21:38 AM
This is very helpful, and it's very tempting for when I upgrade from my Seduction.

My question is: how much does the Sowter affect the overall sound of the Eros? I know it's dependent on the cartridge chosen, but was wondering--especially since there are all kinds of SUTs out there--what effect these Sowters that you've tried have had. Is it a definite improvement, or a matter of taste?

Also, isn't placement key for interference? I'm assuming the holes for mounting are optimal, or would getting an external SUT that can be moved further away be better?
« Last Edit: October 21, 2018, 06:23:49 AM by denti alligator »

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Reply #2 on: October 21, 2018, 06:49:13 AM
My question is: how much does the Sowter affect the overall sound of the Eros? I know it's dependent on the cartridge chosen, but was wondering--especially since there are all kinds of SUTs out there--what effect these Sowters that you've tried have had. Is it a definite improvement, or a matter of taste?
The Eros will not work properly with a low output moving coil cartridge unless step-up transformers are used.  We are recommending these transformers because they are well shielded, sound good, and have been available for quite some time (and should continue to be).

Also, isn't placement key for interference? I'm assuming the holes for mounting are optimal, or would getting an external SUT that can be moved further away be better?
Shielding is key.  I had external SUTs and a gen 1 Eros prior to the Eros 2 with Sowter transformers, and I had a very difficult time getting things quiet with my original setup. 

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Reply #3 on: April 13, 2020, 01:54:00 PM
1.  Pop the resistors out of each RCA jack that go to pin 9 on each EF86 (leave them attached to the socket, just pop out the end sitting in the solder cup of the RCA jack).
2.  Remove the 47K loading resistor on each RCA jack.
3.  Reconnect them at terminals 2 and 17.
4.  Install step-up transformers.
5.  Wire step-up primary wires to each RCA jack.
6.  Wire step-up secondary wires to terminals 1/2 and 16/17.
7.  Install loading resistors as recommended by the SUT manufacturer and/or your cartridge manufacturer.  You can load the primary or the secondary of the SUT relatively easily by either using loading resistors across the RCA jacks (loading the primary), or loading resistors between 1/2 and 16/17 (loading the secondary).

At some point I'll post some photos of my Eros 2 that has this installed.  I had taken some a long time ago but I was unable to locate them.

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Reply #4 on: April 27, 2020, 09:41:32 AM
Here is a photo showing installation on one side.  Note that my Eros 2 was the first prototype, so the green boards that are in it are different.

You can see that the 220 ohm resistor that would go to pin 9 has been move to the empty terminal next to where the negative lead of the big gold bypass cap sits.  I have added a loading resistor here as well, and the output of the step-up transformer connects here.  The same thing is done on the other side in a mirror image (that's where the empty terminals are, so there's no option).

The primary of the SUT connects across the RCA jack.  In this case, I opted to remove the 47K resistors from the RCA jacks to make installation easier.

The shield wire for the SUT connects to the middle lug of the 5 lug strip in this photo which is chassis earth.

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Reply #5 on: April 30, 2020, 12:45:49 PM
Here are some pics of ElCraigo's Eros 2 with Sowter 1990s wired as 1:10 step-ups.

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Reply #6 on: October 26, 2023, 04:35:47 AM
I've always used MM cartridges. What MC cartridges are people using with a SUT in their Eros 2? I'm wondering what would make a significant upgrade from my (very fine) AT MLX150

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Reply #7 on: October 26, 2023, 09:59:03 AM
The Hana ML has been getting a lot of love.

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Reply #8 on: October 27, 2023, 07:37:33 AM
Thanks. And I'm assuming the Sowter 9570 would be the SUT to get for that one?

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Reply #9 on: October 27, 2023, 07:54:21 AM
A 1990 would probably work fine too.  Having the extra taps pulled gives you extra flexibility down the road. 

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Reply #10 on: July 27, 2024, 08:14:52 AM
Hi

I am thinking about ordering the Eros 2.  I have a HOMC mono cart (Miyajima) and LOMC stereo cart (Koetsu).

Is there a way to add the SUT to the build, but is it possible to add a switch/toggle to go between MM and MC?

I hope so : )

Jason



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Reply #11 on: July 28, 2024, 05:43:01 AM
It would probably help to know which specific cartridges you have.  It might be possible to simply switch between ratios if the HOMC output level isn't too high.

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Reply #12 on: July 28, 2024, 08:45:00 AM
Hi Paul

Sure thing:

Miyajima Spirit Mono (HOMC), 5mV, 90ohms internal impedance

Koetsu Rosewood Standard (LOMC), 0.4mV, 6ohms internal impedance

Right now, I use the Miyajima straight into the MM, with the Koetsu I like it loaded at  ~100ohms

Thanks for the help!



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Reply #13 on: July 28, 2024, 09:43:41 AM
I can't find any data on the Spirit Mono in the high output configuration.  If you bought the normal Spirit Mono and used your Koetsu Rosewood, you'd be fine with a 1:10 SUT for either one, and you could even grab a 1:12 (Jensen makes one, as do others) to get that output up slightly higher.  Otherwise, I would tend to gravitate toward just powering down the Eros and swapping cables rather than trying to add more RCA jacks, a switch, and step-ups all onto that chassis plate.

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Reply #14 on: November 12, 2024, 04:10:26 PM
Shielding is key.  I had external SUTs and a gen 1 Eros prior to the Eros 2 with Sowter transformers, and I had a very difficult time getting things quiet with my original setup.

Wouldn't the external SUT be easier to shield? I'm thinking about using an external SUT instead of the Sowter/Jensen/Cinemag to avoid shielding issues.