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Offline Deke609

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Adjusting 300B filament voltage
« on: July 23, 2019, 08:32:44 AM »
@PB - I've got the Beepre up and running again. With today's 119.5 line voltage, PosIn on both boards are measuring at approx. 13.45V (previously 13.05V and 13.15V @ 118V AC in). [Edit: and PosOut values remain unchanged: 9.82V on one side, 9.85V on the other]


You previously suggested that I could try bumping up the 931R to 1K.  Is that still your suggestion in light of the new PosIn voltages?


Many thanks,


Derek
« Last Edit: July 23, 2019, 10:29:33 AM by Deke609 »
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Re: Adjusting 300B filament voltage
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2019, 12:46:23 PM »
Follow-up on my previous post. My Mouser package arrived this aft, so I had to try it. I added 68R 1/2W in series with the 931R Rset2 to get approx. 1K.  Result: 10.48V out of the filament regulator and 5.05V dropped across the filament.  Great success! But the schematic shows +10V bias applied to the cathode / 10V dropped across filament and heater resistors - with no approx. symbol. Is the 10V a hard/optimal target?  If so, I will try a 30R in series with the 931R.


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Re: Adjusting 300B filament voltage
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2019, 04:24:33 PM »
Further follow-up. I added 28.7R 1/2W in series with the 931R Rset2 and now get approx 10.1V out of the filament reg board (maybe closer to 10.05V with the EML 45Bs 300Bs - I got 10.1V with the EH 300Bs).  Tweaking the cathode resistor values a bit (adding a 68R to one side and a 75R to the other), I now get approx. 4.95V dropped across the EML 45B 300B filaments. 


Unless someone tells me this is overtaxing the SR circuit or doing something else bad, I am calling it good -- in fact great!


[Edit - mixed up my amps in my head and mistakenly referred to EML 45Bs when I meant the EML 300Bs in my Beepre]


cheers,  Derek
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Re: Adjusting 300B filament voltage
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2019, 10:06:18 AM »
Provided the regulator isn't dropping out (in which case you'll hear hum), there isn't much harm in running a BeePre like this.

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Re: Adjusting 300B filament voltage
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2019, 10:20:22 AM »
Many thanks PB. No dropouts yet.
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Re: Adjusting 300B filament voltage
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2019, 04:56:05 PM »
@PB or @PJ: what is the current rating for the 6.3V secondaries of the PT-7? 


many thanks, Derek
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Re: Adjusting 300B filament voltage
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2019, 05:53:52 PM »
3.5A AC.
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Re: Adjusting 300B filament voltage
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2019, 06:01:20 PM »
Many thanks PB.
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Re: Adjusting 300B filament voltage
« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2019, 02:02:13 PM »
@PB: when a filament voltage regulator drops out and starts humming - does the output tube continue to amplify the signal (music) or does the music cut out and get replaced with hum?


I have an intermittent hum issue that I'm trying to troubleshoot that I thought for sure was the reg dropping out, but now I'm not so sure - I'll post more about this if I fail to figure it out myself. For now, it would be really helpful to know the precise sonic symptoms of the fil reg dropping out so I can compare them with what I'm hearing.


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Derek
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Re: Adjusting 300B filament voltage
« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2019, 02:21:45 PM »
It's hum on top of the signal.  Intermittent hum may mean that you're too close to the dropout region and as your line voltage wanders a bit, you're passing in and out of dropout.
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Re: Adjusting 300B filament voltage
« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2019, 02:31:59 PM »
Shoot. Yeah, that makes sense. It also may explain why I can't get it to happen now. Gonna keep working on it - I did a fair bit of work taking out that PT last wknd - it's possible that something wasn't resoldered properly -- or maybe I toasted one of the B+ UF4007 rectifier diodes by desoldering and then resoldering them - I have some new ones that I can put in. 


It would be a real bummer if I couldn't use the EML 300Bs - they sound great. I've reverted to stock values for Rset2 on the reg board and for the cathode resistors - which puts me shy of the 4% filament voltage spec - but even with that I was still getting hum early today - but for the past 3 hrs, nothing. 
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Re: Adjusting 300B filament voltage
« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2019, 03:18:33 PM »
You could also split the difference between the original resistor value and what you have now.  The UF4007 diodes are in the HV circuit, and if you have a damaged one the raw high voltage rail voltage will drop way down.
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Re: Adjusting 300B filament voltage
« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2019, 03:26:47 PM »
Thanks PB.


You could also split the difference between the original resistor value and what you have now.


I tried that earlier today - I brought fil voltage to 4.8V -- exactly 4% low -- and still had intermittent hum. 



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The UF4007 diodes are in the HV circuit, and if you have a damaged one the raw high voltage rail voltage will drop way down.


Yeah, I get that. I was just speculating that a slightly toasted UF4007 might still function, but become noisy - pure uniformed speculation on my part.


cheers and thanks, Derek
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Re: Adjusting 300B filament voltage
« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2019, 04:16:26 PM »
Just trying to think things through here.


If the problem is the 1.3A draw of the EML 300B filament @5V, then aren't I a bit stuck unless the Shunt Reg can be made to handle more current? If the filament resistance is fixed, and I'm not supposed to go lower than 4.8V dropped across the filament, then I am stuck with a minimum current draw. 


If the current requirement of the EML 300B presently exceeds the current limitation of the shunt reg, is there a way around this ? E.g., adjust the C4S to allow more current - e.g., 1.4A? and then tweak the Shunt reg board as needed?


cheers, Derek

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Re: Adjusting 300B filament voltage
« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2019, 05:12:07 PM »
You're mixing up the high voltage part of the circuit and the low voltage part of the circuit.  The high voltage shunt regulator has no idea what's going on at the filament.

If the filament is drawing 1.3A, then yes, you could trim down the paralleled 10W resistors to look more like a 3.8 ohm resistor instead of a 4 ohm resistor, but the additional current draw will also lower the output of the filament regulator, hence the desire to bump it up just a little bit.
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