SR45 amplifier

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Offline xcortes

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Reply #180 on: March 16, 2013, 06:06:04 PM
Only a reckless bastard would change parts in an Eros, BeePre, of SR 45. I'm in all three groups.

BTW, I'll build three pairs of the SR45 Mkii whether it's a kit (please!) or a public design!

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Reply #181 on: March 20, 2013, 02:35:11 PM
Only a reckless bastard would change parts in an Eros, BeePre, of SR 45. I'm in all three groups.

BTW, I'll build three pairs of the SR45 Mkii whether it's a kit (please!) or a public design!

I'm in two of those reckless groups and intend to be in the third once released :).  It sounds like the Dac is coming together and the SR45 isn't far from some of our minds.  PB you are wetting our appetite for possibly another SR amp in the future? Maybe something with higher output?  :D

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Reply #182 on: March 20, 2013, 05:30:35 PM
I'm not so sure about higher powered shunt regulated amplifiers.  There are a whole ton of variables that get a little nutty when you try to move to a ~400V regulated supply that is capable of ~100mA. 

We have a nice amount of data on running the 45 shunt regulated, we have little to none on much else.

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Reply #183 on: March 20, 2013, 05:46:05 PM
I was thinking that a high voltage b+ and three od3s in series could work. Since I use a power plant I have zero variations in power supply and that reduces the design problems and the need to leave headroom for high or low b+. That could give me a direct coupled sr 2a3 (not active loades, of course). Or a lower voltage b+ and a cap coupled sr 2a3.

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Reply #184 on: March 20, 2013, 06:32:01 PM
To a reasonable degree, it's the pass element in the regulator that demands the most attention.  The TL431 is specified to be able to sink 100mA, and when you power on such an amplifier, the directly heated output tube is going to start drawing current before the indirectly heated regulator tube allows the TL431 to do much of anything (thankfully).  This, of course, presumes that you aren't powering on the amp with no 300B in it (this is something we had to deal with for the BeePre).

The 0D3 stack will produce the voltage you desire, but the performance isn't sufficient for a power amp (in my opinion).


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Reply #185 on: March 22, 2013, 12:44:32 PM
ok -so one can order the tfa-2004 and the bcp-15--or the bh-5 and bh-6-would there be a preference-like deb i am putting parts together--thanks howie



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Reply #186 on: March 22, 2013, 12:48:57 PM
I don't think the differences will be night and day. But I have always had a warm spot in my heart for the TFA-2004. Maybe that's simply because I was the first guy to try it.

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Reply #187 on: March 22, 2013, 01:00:09 PM
I don't think the differences will be night and day. But I have always had a warm spot in my heart for the TFA-2004. Maybe that's simply because I was the first guy to try it.

So comparing the 2004 against the EXO-050 (full versions with the same lam stacks) in the SR-45 design (if you were to deviate from your stock 4k transformer) where would your money go? (As Mike does NOT offer a 4k transformer)
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Reply #188 on: March 22, 2013, 01:04:21 PM
I keep a pair of EXO-050s around too. It would depend upon the operating point, but the 5K primary is usually going to work better with a 45 than a 3K primary.

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Reply #189 on: March 22, 2013, 01:57:39 PM
mmmm---so somewhat non commital-but we are getting somewhere-the exo 45/46-is for a 45 tube-the 2004 is not necessarily so---
now maybe i should ask mike for a exo-45-in nickel  with 8/16 ohm taps--and go with the dowdy chokes--wellll!!!!



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Reply #190 on: March 22, 2013, 02:01:17 PM
mmmm---so somewhat non commital-but we are getting somewhere-the exo 45/46-is for a 45 tube-the 2004 is not necessarily so---
now maybe i should ask mike for a exo-45-in nickel  with 8/16 ohm taps--and go with the dowdy chokes--wellll!!!!

The EXO-045 is 8 ohm and the EXO-046 16 ohm. I know for a fact he has both stacked and ready to ship at the moment in XL (1/2 larger stack) size. Shoot him an email!

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Reply #191 on: March 23, 2013, 09:14:53 AM
reply to aaron johnson-do you happen to know if the exo-45's that mike has in stock are nickel or pinstripe?



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Reply #192 on: March 23, 2013, 11:13:07 AM
Both, EXO-046 XL in m4 pinstripe and EXO-045 XL in nickel. Just shoot him an email.

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Reply #193 on: March 23, 2013, 01:39:53 PM
Aaron-thanks--i just emailed mike for the EXO-45 XL and will see what happens-i asked about chokes on hand also-bcp-15 or the dowdy chokes-next to order will be everything else-from the power supply choke- power caps to tube sockets and everything in between-while i am here the SR-45 power supply shows  a 10h chokebut does not show how much resistance-anyone know what i will need there-as for the cathode bypass cap-how low can i go there if i use a polyprophylene film-i may use them in the power supply also-thanks howie



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Reply #194 on: March 23, 2013, 03:17:15 PM
Hi Howie,

Do you have the paramour II's -- that is the amp that the sr-45 is built on, so I'd also guess that the ps choke would be the triad c7x at 270 ohms.  I don't know the value of the cathode bypass cap, and I also don't know what board was used for the shunt reg board/c4s either and if that is still available or not.  The amp also requires the pt2 power transformer.  Of course I'm talking about the existing SR-45 here, not the new one that will be forthcoming, and I'm not sure which one you're talkiing about.  If the latter, it is probably best to wait on the plate choke as this is going to be a critical part of the overall system voltage calculations.

But back to the original sr-45, BH is not releasing the schematics for this anymore, and it may be difficult to get another run of the pt2 power transformers as we just did one last summer.  So, in short, a lot to juggle here and it would be premature to jump the gun on too many parts at this point.

A note about the dowdy as it applies to the original sr-45 -- Mike gapped mine for 60 mA instead of the usual 40 mA, which gives an inductance of 80 H vs. 125 H for the original.  Mike also expllained that this actually provides better ac and dc balance in the choke specs, and results in a complex impedance that is more favorable for a opt with a 5k load -- such as the exo 4x models.  Whether or not this choke, in either form, would be suitable for the new sr-45 is still a big unknown, so I'd wait until the design is out first.

I have the old version and will be using the dowdy gapped for 60 mA in conjunction with the EXo-145 in nickel -- a version of the exo-45 xl with an even larger stack and with the secondaries wound with litz wire, also somewhat more expensive than the standard nickel 45 xls.

So, if at this point you don't have the paramour IIs and instructions and parts for the sr-45 conversion, you'll have to wait for the new design, and nobody but Paul J knows exactly what that will look like yet.

Hope this helps,

Jim


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