S.E.X. 2.1 BOM

FraGGleR · 5016

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline FraGGleR

  • Full Member
  • ***
    • Posts: 53
on: May 09, 2013, 10:41:13 AM
As I continue to prepare for a complete rebuild, I have come to realize that I would happily buy new components to save myself the hassle of desoldering or otherwise destructively removing components.  I have a new top plate so I can start fresh and plan to only reuse the iron.  However, while I can find parts based on the assembly guide, there are variables (brand, size, etc.) that aren't covered.

Is their an official BOM that I can access?  Does it matter beyond what is in the assembly guide?  In general, I stuck to Vishay and IRC resistors, and Nichicon for all caps that aren't going to be boutique.  The problem is that Nichicon has something like 20 variations for a single value of electrolytic capacitor.


Resonessence Concero -> Bottlehead S.E.X. 2.1 -> HD800


Offline Paul Birkeland

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • Posts: 19750
Reply #1 on: May 09, 2013, 10:47:33 AM
Everything matters to one degree or another.  A lot of the caps in the SEX 2.1 have what they are written on them.  If you're going to use leaded caps instead of snap-in caps, I would stick with the Panasonic ED's if at all possible.  Nichicon's datasheets will tell you more about the design goal(s) of each capacitor, which may help narrow down your choices. 

For the resistors, just be very careful about wattages. 

Paul "PB" Birkeland

Bottlehead Grunt & The Repro Man


Offline FraGGleR

  • Full Member
  • ***
    • Posts: 53
Reply #2 on: May 09, 2013, 12:07:08 PM
I will take a look under the hood for the capacitors and see what has long enough leads that I can salvage easily and reuse. 

For resistors, I have matched up resistance and wattages, but I am not sure about voltage rating and tolerance.  I have stuck with mostly 1% but some are 5%. 

Resonessence Concero -> Bottlehead S.E.X. 2.1 -> HD800


Offline Paul Joppa

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • Posts: 5833
Reply #3 on: May 09, 2013, 12:44:36 PM
5% tolerance is almost always good enough, though we use 1% because they are readily available in metal film which is inexpensive, quiet, and reliable. Wattage rating should be at least three times the actual dissipation. You can usually figure out the voltage from the voltage test data, and the data sheet will give a "working voltage" capability. Do not be deceived by the "insulation voltage"! In a few cases we use a larger wattage rating because we need the voltage rating - plate load resistors, C4S bias resistors, power supply bleeders, for example.

Paul Joppa


Offline FraGGleR

  • Full Member
  • ***
    • Posts: 53
Reply #4 on: June 12, 2013, 10:24:46 AM
Hi guys,

So in putting the S.E.X. back together with newly ordered components, I have found that the #6 shoulder washers are thicker than the ones originally included in the kit.  Unfortunately, over time the included ones had become warped and were either impossible to remove or were so mangled so as to be unusable.

Two questions:

1. Are shoulder washers used to make sure the screw passing through them do not come in contact with the plate?  As in it will cause a short of the screw does?   

2.  If so, does anyone have a model number or precise measurements for the included washers? 

I feel kind of silly about asking, but I don't want everything to short out or something like that after putting it all back together again.  I can use the washers as normal washers by removing the shoulder since it won't fit into the pre-drilled holes, but without the shoulder, the screw touches the base plate.

Thanks!

Resonessence Concero -> Bottlehead S.E.X. 2.1 -> HD800


Offline Grainger49

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • Posts: 7175
Reply #5 on: June 12, 2013, 11:04:34 AM
1) Yes, try Ace Hardware.  They have a great selection.  Or email the parts replacement email for Bottlehead.

2) No, but I think they are sized for the screw that goes through them.



Offline FraGGleR

  • Full Member
  • ***
    • Posts: 53
Reply #6 on: June 12, 2013, 11:16:34 AM
Thanks, Grainger.  That was what I was afraid of.  I will cross my fingers that I can find something at the hardware stores this weekend when I can borrow a car.  I am trying to finish the build before the 21st so I can take it to a headphone meet.  Ordering something might take too long to get to me and I will run out of time to finish the build (I go very slow and I don't have a lot of spare time).

The ones I ordered have the proper hole through the middle, but the shoulder is thicker than the included one and won't fit into the hole.

Resonessence Concero -> Bottlehead S.E.X. 2.1 -> HD800


Offline Doc B.

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • Posts: 9658
    • Bottlehead
Reply #7 on: June 12, 2013, 11:18:44 AM
Sand them down a little?

Dan "Doc B." Schmalle
President For Life
Bottlehead Corp.


Offline adamct

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
    • Posts: 755
  • Maxxximum CAPacity Crack
Reply #8 on: June 12, 2013, 11:20:18 AM
I don't suppose you could file down the ones you have a bit? You could probably even use an emory board for nails...



Offline adamct

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
    • Posts: 755
  • Maxxximum CAPacity Crack
Reply #9 on: June 12, 2013, 11:20:34 AM
Fingernails, that is.



Offline FraGGleR

  • Full Member
  • ***
    • Posts: 53
Reply #10 on: June 12, 2013, 11:27:24 AM
Maybe I am not describing things correctly.  The raised ring (shoulder?) that is supposed to sit in the plate hole and prevent the screw from touching the plate is too wide (not too tall).  Because of the size, it is difficult to use something to reduce the width of the ring with any sort of precision or efficiency.

Now that I am thinking about it, why are the shoulder washers used?  For the chokes, one of the screws is tied to ground through the buss wire, same with the transformer.  Would other parts of the transformer or chokes being connected to ground create some sort of loop?

Resonessence Concero -> Bottlehead S.E.X. 2.1 -> HD800


Offline Grainger49

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • Posts: 7175
Reply #11 on: June 12, 2013, 11:30:55 AM
I have a ream that I bought years ago at Radio Shack.  It is very useful for increasing a hole a little at a time.  You can also use a stepped drill bit.  It, too is efficient.



Offline Doc B.

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • Posts: 9658
    • Bottlehead
Reply #12 on: June 12, 2013, 11:46:19 AM


Now that I am thinking about it, why are the shoulder washers used?  For the chokes, one of the screws is tied to ground through the buss wire, same with the transformer.  Would other parts of the transformer or chokes being connected to ground create some sort of loop?

Yes, it is to avoid the development of eddy currents in the chassis induced by the magnetic fields of the inductors. You can get shoulder washers similar to what we use from Mouser.

Dan "Doc B." Schmalle
President For Life
Bottlehead Corp.


Offline FraGGleR

  • Full Member
  • ***
    • Posts: 53
Reply #13 on: June 12, 2013, 12:07:22 PM
Thanks for the explanation, Doc.

The ones I got were from Mouser.  I didn't know there were any differences between them outside of the outside diameter.  I might have to bite the bullet and try some of all of them.  Just hurts to spend $8 on shipping for $0.80 worth of parts, so trying to avoid that at the moment. 

I will explore my options.  Thanks for the input, everyone.

Resonessence Concero -> Bottlehead S.E.X. 2.1 -> HD800


Offline Grainger49

  • Hero Member
  • *****
    • Posts: 7175
Reply #14 on: June 12, 2013, 12:45:19 PM
Digi-Key has a USPS option for shipping.  That is why I use them for small shipments.