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Offline Mike B

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on: June 02, 2013, 06:06:33 AM
Got my Stereomour a week ago and finished it up yesterday.  Made some mods, deleted the input selector, changed the coupling caps to foil/paper in oil and changed the parafeed cap to 2.7 uF Mundorf Supreme.

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Did the resistance check and everything was OK, plugged it in and the tubes lit and the fuse held.  Set the hum pots for 1-2 mV (spec) and since the tubes lit and hum was spec, I skipped the voltage check and went straight to the music.

Yeah Baby!  Now I know why people love Class A Triodes with zero feedback - :)  Clear, coherent, transparent sound, beautiful!

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The Bottlehead badge does perfect duty covering up that selector switch hole.

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Offline Jim R.

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Reply #1 on: June 02, 2013, 06:13:09 AM
Nice going, Mike.  I think those mundorf supremes are highly underrated and like them far better than the silver oils that everybody is so crazy about, but to each his own.

I still would recommend going and doing voltage checks, especially the fiilament voltages as too high or too low will compromise the life of your tubes.

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Reply #2 on: June 02, 2013, 06:19:21 AM
How would you change it?

They are wired straight to the transformer.

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Reply #3 on: June 02, 2013, 06:28:39 AM
With a low value, high power resistor as with some of the other kits, but which ones exactly, I can't recall at the moment.

It will take some trial and error to get down to the right value -- probably.  But I wouldn't worry about it until you take the measurement (with the tubes in place.)

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Reply #4 on: June 02, 2013, 09:12:27 AM
Hey Mike - nicely done! - thing of beauty! - of course I'm partial to the Mundorfs as well.

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Reply #5 on: June 02, 2013, 09:38:07 AM
Thanks.

It cooked for 8 hours yesterday.  No excessive heat, no bad odors, no smoke, just good sound - :)

I am using this in the bedroom with 95 dB / watt Tangband W8-1772's in DIY 25 liter reflex boxes.

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This sounds really good.

Oh, I also painted the transformer cover black and I masked off the plate chokes and hit them too.  Didn't go crazy with buffing & sanding, just primer and paint.  Looks good and was not hard.

Those coupling caps are Russian surplus PIO's.  Mil spec I think, the housing is a solid steel tube.  I heard they sounded good but I also heard that some were badly made and had leaks.  So I tested  them before I soldered 'em in.  Spec is .1 uF 10%.  One measured at .099 and the other at .103.  I soldered 'em w/o further concern - :)
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Reply #6 on: June 02, 2013, 09:45:02 AM
Mike,

I buy a fair amount of USSR Military surplus.  I consider that if you sold bad caps/tubes/switches to the military, you would disappear, never be heard from again.  Very high quality control.



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Reply #7 on: June 02, 2013, 10:19:49 AM

Oh, I also painted the transformer cover black and I masked off the plate chokes and hit them too.  Didn't go crazy with buffing & sanding, just primer and paint.  Looks good and was not hard.

Those coupling caps are Russian surplus PIO's.  Mil spec I think, the housing is a solid steel tube.  I heard they sounded good but I also heard that some were badly made and had leaks.  So I tested  them before I soldered 'em in.  Spec is .1 uF 10%.  One measured at .099 and the other at .103.  I soldered 'em w/o further concern - :)

If the Russky caps are K40Y9's, they are, IMO, some of the best, (construction quality and sonics),  PIO caps ever made! They will go along way in taming the "plastic nasties" of the Mundorf's!

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Reply #8 on: June 02, 2013, 10:33:43 AM
Cool, just looked and that's what they are.  The guy selling them on ebay sold in lots of 4, so I have 2 left.

The Mundorf I ordered at 2.7, because I read here that 2.5 was optimum for 2A3.

Dunno, I'm new to this valve stuff.

I discovered tubes 6 months ago when I built the K12-G kit from S5.  This two hundred dollar wonder sounded better than all my transistor amps with the Tangbands.  Then I bought a Dared I30 just because it looked good.  Sounded good too it's a 16 watt push-pull with 6L6Gs.  Single ended was supposed to be better, so I built an Elekit TU-879.  It was better.  Just a little, but it sounded a little more pure than the PP amp.  It uses feedback, not a lot 8 dB, but it just kept getting better, so I just had to try the holy grail of tube amps the zero feedback triode.

I wish now that I just started off with a Stereomour - :)

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Reply #9 on: June 02, 2013, 12:59:05 PM
Mike,

Live and learn.  You had fun with the other kits.  Good practice too.



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Reply #10 on: June 02, 2013, 01:38:20 PM
You got that right.  I've been practicing since I was 10.

I can tell you about the first kit I built.  It never worked.  I couldn't figure out how to fix it either.  It went into the trashcan w/o ever having worked.  Hey, I was 10.  Didn't know anything about soldering.  I probably cooked half the parts.

Now I work slow.  I'm never in a hurry.  If you are in a hurry you will finish last.  Rework takes 5 times as long as doing it right the first time.  Sorta like driving fast.  The traffic ticket costs a lot, you sit and wait while officer friendly writes it, and then you get to spend a whole saturday in traffic school so your insurance rates don't go up.  That's rework.

Here's how to build with just a pdf. 

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Put project on keyboard shelf - :)

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Reply #11 on: June 05, 2013, 06:57:39 PM
Had to show you guys my oops.

Whenever I build anything I always screw it up at least once.  No matter how slow I go, it always happens. 

Sometimes so bad I have to redo the whole thing.  But not this time - :)

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Nipped off the excess resistor lead and had the nippers a little too deep and nipped off the resistor too.

This was easy though, a bare lead thru the terminal and solder to the resistor.

Ooups - :)

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Reply #12 on: June 06, 2013, 11:21:20 AM
Mike,

Looks like the red wires at 4:00 and 10:00 don't have any solder.  I would make a good mechanical connection on them first.  But, you are an old hand at this too.  I don't imagine that the picture is of a finished tube socket.



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Reply #13 on: June 06, 2013, 12:26:28 PM
Yeah, I took that pic right after I fixed it.

I have a question for you experianced valvers re the parafeed cap.  I have changed this to 2.7 uF as 2.5 was said to be ideal for 2A3 in Stereomour.  Compared to the single ended Elekit, with 6L6G and 8 dB of feedback, everything is better.  Except the bass.  Highs are clear, cymbals have more "shimmer", mids are just awesome, but the bass is less. 

Nothing I couldn't help with a slight adjustment of the level and XO freq on the subwoofer amp, but it is there non the less.

Would more parafeed cap help the bass?  But would that come at expense of the mids / highs?

Give me some insight.  Should I add say half a uF with a clip on to one side and see?

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Reply #14 on: June 06, 2013, 12:57:56 PM
I would venture that the bass will fill in after a break in period.  The differences in values of those two caps are inconsequential to the bass end.  Of course it might be the cap you changed to has less in the bottom end.  That is hard to say.