Is there something magical about the Quickie?

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Offline Sonido

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on: December 31, 2013, 02:53:36 PM
I've been using the Quickie as a preamp for my Emotiva MiniX speaker amp to drive my Hifiman HE-500. Many people on head-fi have praised the pairing of the Emotiva with the HE-500, as planars need power, so the speaker amp works well. I wanted a warmer sound so I added the Quickie to the chain, and it has sounds great!

Recently, I acquired the Sennheiser HD800. It's known to be very analytical and lifeless sounding, but has technical superiorities in the sound, such as unmatched soundstaging and detailing. Most people agree that to give it some musicality, it's good to pair it with a tube amp, such as the Crack. I also have the Crack, and using it with the HD800, it does sound better than coming straight out of a solid state amp. However, even still I found the musicality of engagement of my HE-500 setup to sound better, especially for lively genres like rock or pop. For one, I found the soundstage of the HD800 to make the vocals a bit stretched out and not as engaging. Overall, it still had a very polite sound signature that was great for classical, but not edgy and exciting or lively enough for rock/pop.

For the heck of it I went ahead and connected it to my Quickie + Emotiva setup I was using for my HE-500. I expected it to sound pretty horrible, as the HD800 is very amp picky, and it doesn't need the power like planars do. At first there was a higher noise floor when nothing was playing, so it was starting look like my hunch was correct. But when I started playing the music, I was completely blown away. There was life to the music! Everything was more engaging, without losing the details or soundstage. The vocals especially, became much more coherent and intimate sounding. The HD800 now sounds as musical as any headphone I've heard! I removed the Quickie from the chain and tried it with just the Emotiva, and once again it started sounding too polite, with stretched out, thin vocals. So it's definitely the Quickie is contributing to this musicality.

Now that I think about it, I noticed there was quite a following on here on modding the Quickie into a headphone amp. At first, I thought it was just saving the $200 price difference between the Quickie and Crack, but after this experience, I'm wondering if there's something more to it. $200 isn't all that much in this hobby. Perhaps there's just something magical about the sound the Quickie gives, and that's why people want to make a headphone amp out of it? To me, the HD800 is sounding far better out of the Emotiva + Quickie than even the Crack!
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Offline JamieMcC

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Reply #1 on: December 31, 2013, 11:11:30 PM
Why not try the quicky with the Crack and see if what results you get with the HD800's. It may work well or not but would be easy to try. 

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Reply #2 on: January 01, 2014, 08:54:26 AM
Is that wise to do? Using the Quickie as a preamp for a headphone amp? It won't damage anything right? What's the input impedance of the Crack?



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Reply #3 on: January 01, 2014, 08:58:27 AM
Is that wise to do? Using the Quickie as a preamp for a headphone amp? It won't damage anything right? What's the input impedance of the Crack?
There have been a few Quickie owners who have used it ahead of a SEX amp and have really liked the results.  There's no harm in trying this with the Crack also.

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Reply #4 on: January 01, 2014, 09:21:30 AM
Just tried Quickie -> Crack -> HD800. Yeah it's definitely the Quickie sound that I'm loving. It's even warmer sound than Quickie + Emotiva. The HD800 almost sounds dark now. This setup is probably very frowned upon on head-fi, as it's borderline double amping. I could get away with using  preamp into a speaker amp, but preamp into headphone amp is a step away from headphone amp into another headphone amp. But I don't really care as long as it sounds good to me. Thanks for the tip on this you guys. I have to compare with Quickie going into Emotiva some more, but first impressions are that the Crack + Quickie combo makes the HD800 sound even more musical. Also the Crack must have a much higher input impedance than the Emotiva, which is at 10K ohms, because there are no noise floor problems! It is dead silent!



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Reply #5 on: January 01, 2014, 12:42:38 PM
Double amping, double shmamping. It's about gain stages, not how many boxes they are in. If you like the sound it's right.

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Reply #6 on: January 01, 2014, 03:40:34 PM
Yup. When you mention gain stage, does that have to do with noise floor issue, and a good matching would result in zero background noise? Does the Quickie and the Crack match well from a technical standpoint when it comes to gain stages?



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Reply #7 on: January 02, 2014, 05:55:02 AM
There is something about the quickie, i've had it between my DAC > S.E.X amp many times and it does add something magical to the mix, i expected it to muddy the sound but if anything it adds clarity by raising up the high frequency and adding just a little bit of warmth to the mid range.  In the end i always take it out again, but there is definitely something there.

As an experiment i picked up two output transformers to try it as a headphone amp, although technically it dosent have the oomph for low impedance cans, and i could only get the newer small version of the transformers which dosent help.  But, with Grados plugged in the sound just sucked me in again, its a bit light on the bass but the clarity is incredible, so much so my current idea is to make it into a small portable headphone amp, would be perfect for bed time listening at low volumes..

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Reply #8 on: January 02, 2014, 09:52:56 PM
I agree. I found it smooth out the sound, especially on a picky, analytical headphone like the HD800. I find it akin to anti-aliasing when it comes to graphics. Sure the resulting picture may not have the exact pristine details of the original image, but most people will agree it looks better.



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Reply #9 on: January 02, 2014, 10:14:59 PM
Double amping, double shmamping. It's about gain stages, not how many boxes they are in. If you like the sound it's right.
Would you recommend adding the PJCCS upgrade to the Quickie if using with the Crack? Would it screw up the gain stages? I know the output impedance is raised from 2K to 4K ohms so it would require at least 40K input impedance of the amp to match gain stages. What's the input impedance of the Crack?