Modifications to run e80cc/12bh7a/5687 for Crack+Speedball

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Offline kscwuzhere

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Reply #15 on: March 31, 2014, 12:35:42 PM
1/4 Watt will work fine, they will just be physically kind of large.

Hopefully they'll fit!




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Reply #17 on: March 31, 2014, 01:35:03 PM
If a 1/4 Watt resistor is a borderline fit, a 1W really won't work well.

Also, there's no reason to use such a large resistor there, 1/10 of a Watt would be sufficient.

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Reply #18 on: March 31, 2014, 02:01:47 PM
Thank you



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Reply #19 on: April 02, 2014, 02:27:30 AM
Would anyone knowledgeable (that rules me out) care to comment on what sort of effect running the bhc+sb+e80cc+ts 5998 & this resistor mod have on a Cracks output impedance. I have read the TS-5998 lowers the Cracks output impedance and wondered if the input tube can also effect this?

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Reply #20 on: April 03, 2014, 11:05:35 AM
Output impedance will go down as transconductance goes up. 

The transconductance of a 5998 is generally higher than a 6080 at equal operating points.  There is some transconductance variation based on the operating point, which suggests a range of 7,000uMho to 21,000uMho (approximately) for the 5998 at typical operating points.  Given that the Speedball fixes the current at about 30mA per section of the 5998, then the operating point of the driver stage roughly sets the cathode voltage of the output stage.  (75V on the driver plate means the cathode of the output stage will be above that, but not by a whole ton)

If the driver stage plate voltage is set high, then the result will be less available plate-to-cathode voltage on the 5998, which will mean less grid to cathode voltage for that same 30mA of current.  This would actually increase the transconductance, but at the expense of potentially limiting the amount of drive voltage that you can apply to the 5998.  In other words, you could lower the output impedance, but you'd also lower the maximum voltage output of the circuit in the process.  This, unfortunately, would also raise the voltage across the big C4S load under the 5998, and the power dissipation would increase as that voltage crept up, which is not acceptable with the current design.

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Reply #21 on: April 03, 2014, 02:08:10 PM
Tested my Amperex and I'm getting
Terminal 1: 105V
Terminal 5: 106V
do I still have to replace resistors and if I do ..will 1/10w 470ohm be the best choice ?,I have order some resistors earlier but I guess this are to much or should I give them a try ?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/161148100242?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649

On another note ;tested my new arrival today (12BH7A)
 Terminal 1: 55V
Terminal 5: 56V

EDIT; I just tested  my NU 6SN7GT (via adapter ) and getting 88V
« Last Edit: April 03, 2014, 02:30:58 PM by xcoolhandx »



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Reply #22 on: April 03, 2014, 05:51:39 PM
Yeah, ~105V is on the high side, 55V is very low, 88V is in the safe zone.

Those 470 Ohm resistors you linked to will work well with the E80CC.  For the 12BH7, try a 200 Ohm resistor to bring the plate voltage up.

-PB

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Reply #23 on: April 07, 2014, 01:17:42 PM
I replaced the resistors today (I didn't know how small they were  :o )
Terminal 1: 81V
Terminal 5: 84V

I'm very happy with the outcome

« Last Edit: April 07, 2014, 04:09:18 PM by xcoolhandx »



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Reply #24 on: April 07, 2014, 06:46:45 PM
Sweet, you're right in the groove with those voltages.

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Reply #25 on: April 08, 2014, 09:16:59 AM
I replaced the resistors today (I didn't know how small they were  :o )
Terminal 1: 81V
Terminal 5: 84V

I'm very happy with the outcome

Were there any audible improvements?



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Reply #26 on: April 08, 2014, 09:53:31 AM
I have ordered some metal films for this mod it will be fun to try and is easily reversible the e80cc hardly gets removed anymore its defiantly on par if not slightly better than the best of my 12au7s

Out of interest what e80cc brands are you guys getting good results with? Using a Siemens E80CC here same plate structure and big o getter as the one below but marked only Siemens E80CC and the pins seem to be a brighter than normal silver colour. It also has a small silver V2 sticker on it? 

(https://forum.bottlehead.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn01.trixum.de%2Fupload2%2F7%2FA%2F7AXvV2NU1jJC135394892364P5614.jpg&hash=a7dd205c3fd92f9201651c6b186f3798894a881f)

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Reply #27 on: April 08, 2014, 11:27:35 AM
They look like Tungsrams.

Have also tried Philips E80CC gold pin, rebranded by Mullard.  This tube is one of my top five noval driver tubes.



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Reply #28 on: April 08, 2014, 11:31:14 AM

Out of interest what e80cc brands are you guys getting good results with? Using a Siemens E80CC here same plate structure and big o getter as the one below but marked only Siemens E80CC and the pins seem to be a brighter than normal silver colour. It also has a small silver V2 sticker on it? 

(https://forum.bottlehead.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn01.trixum.de%2Fupload2%2F7%2FA%2F7AXvV2NU1jJC135394892364P5614.jpg&hash=a7dd205c3fd92f9201651c6b186f3798894a881f)

I'm currently using a Tunsgram e80cc which I found to jive amazingly with the hd650s (pictures attached)



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Reply #29 on: April 08, 2014, 12:41:58 PM
Terminal 1: 60V
Terminal 5: 61V

YES !
believe it or not but most of my 6SN7s have similar soundstage on Crack to E80CC Amperex..love it ,this grey skirt VT-231 sounds very good
I'm very glad I can use both

« Last Edit: April 08, 2014, 01:48:57 PM by xcoolhandx »