cs4 voltage problem

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on: May 22, 2014, 06:15:37 AM
Hi all.
I am having a voltage problem with both CS4 boards.  All tube heater light.  All 4 leds on both boards light.  All voltages are right on the money, except for OA which measures at 103 vdc and not the 170 volts spec.  Any thought on this.
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John



Offline Paul Birkeland

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Reply #1 on: May 22, 2014, 09:31:47 AM
If OA measures 103V, what does OB measure? What about Breg on the populated side? (A side)

If Breg is 100V and OA is 103V, please let us know, as that would be most likely from a miswire

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Reply #2 on: May 22, 2014, 11:02:51 AM
OA = 103v
OB(a side about 103v
Breg 99v
OA 103v
IA 223v

Thank you for your reply.
John



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Reply #3 on: May 22, 2014, 11:06:03 AM
I would strongly suspect a miswire at the 6922 socket.
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Reply #4 on: May 22, 2014, 11:20:20 AM
measuring about +.4 volt grid to cathode on 6922 tube both triodes.



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Reply #5 on: May 22, 2014, 11:46:58 AM
very carefully checked 6922 wiring and all seems good.  Took some dc resistance readings on the 6922 and all seem good.
Cathode to ground with ""negative lead on cathode"" 25.5k ohms both triodes
Both grid to ground with either meter polarity 75K ohms
Both plate to ground 44K ohms.

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John



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Reply #6 on: May 22, 2014, 01:34:48 PM
Hmm, could you post a photo of the C4S board on the offending side?

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Reply #7 on: May 22, 2014, 03:59:56 PM
Will post pictures tomorrow morning.  Both sides of the preamp are getting the  reading same readings.
I really appreciate your interest in solving this problem.
John



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Reply #8 on: May 22, 2014, 05:54:02 PM
Both sides of the preamp are getting the  reading same readings.


Ah, I didn't know that, that's helpful information.  Hopefully the photos can reveal what's amiss. 

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Reply #9 on: May 26, 2014, 06:33:21 AM
Here are the C4S pictures




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Reply #10 on: June 26, 2014, 08:33:28 AM
Hi all.
After being out of town I'm back digging into the Eros preamp again.  I have attatched a detailed schematic with voltage measurements.

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John
« Last Edit: June 26, 2014, 09:22:17 AM by fullheadofnothing »



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Reply #11 on: June 26, 2014, 09:22:45 AM
Please do not post schematics for Bottlehead products. I will forward your measurements to PB.
« Last Edit: June 26, 2014, 09:24:20 AM by fullheadofnothing »

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Reply #12 on: June 26, 2014, 09:33:58 AM
My apologies. No harm intended it won't happen again.
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Reply #13 on: June 30, 2014, 10:18:05 AM
I have been inspecting the pre amp all day.  All wiring beeps out perfectly from all socket to C4S boards.  However I may have run into a hint as to what is happening.  Resistance measurements from T2 and T14 to ground read 85 K ohms  and T4 and T12 read 75 K ohms to ground.  The 10.5 K ohm resistor is installed correctly double checked.  Any thought about this.

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John



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Reply #14 on: July 06, 2014, 11:44:29 AM
My apologies for this late reply - I've been out of town and out of contact for the last week. Just got home last night.

It seems likely that there are shorts between the grid and plate of the 6922 - i.e. C1 to C2 and C6 to C7 - or perhaps both stoppers (220 and 100 ohms) accidentally are going to the same pins. Inspect those pins closely looking for possible connections or bridging. If the problem does not appear there, it would be relatively easy to measure the resistance between C1 and C2, and again between C6 and C7. This will test the short-circuit theory, even if the connection is not at the tube pins. If you can post a picture or pictures of the C socket showing the wiring to each pin, we can see if anything seems amiss.

Paul Joppa