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Offline mkane

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on: February 06, 2015, 04:19:33 AM
  I'm trying to get a hum pot reading but get nothing. I don't think I have the leads plugged into the correct sockets. We have  ground a 3 red choices. 10A max fused-mAuA-Vhz. Which is the correct hole for the red lead? I have the dial set on V with squiggly line above the v. thx   HELP



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Reply #1 on: February 06, 2015, 04:52:00 AM
I unscrew the speaker 5 way binder posts and put the meter lead through the hole on the shaft there. 

On your meter you have a common socket that the black lead goes into.  There is also a current (10A max fused-mAuA) input, just put glue in those holes; they will get you in trouble.  And there is a Vhz hole where you measure volts AC/DC, Ohms and Frequency.  This is the one you want to use.

You set your meter on V AC (squiggly line) and the lowest scale you have.  If your meter doesn't go low enough you won't get a reading at all.



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Reply #2 on: February 06, 2015, 05:31:06 AM
   Thanks. Meter shows mv. I'm doing this with the volume all the way down.  I'll give it a go again
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Reply #3 on: February 06, 2015, 05:47:54 AM
I saved this from a Grainger post.  It will help!

Short the inputs, I use a pair of alligator clip jumpers, one for each channel.  Attach your meter to the speaker leads.  I put the meter leads through the holes in the 5 way binding posts and tighten the plastic part down on them.  This is a hands free method to read the magnitude of the hum voltage.

Set your meter to AC volts, the lowest range if it has ranges.  Turn on the amplifier and let it warm up for 15 minutes.  If you are just measuring hum, this is what you have.  Posting be sure to include the milli-volts (mV) reading.

Start moving the hum balance pot one direction.  If the voltage goes up change directions.  When you get it to lower find where it begins to climb again while moving in the same direction.  You have just passed the null point.  Now very carefully make minor adjustments to the pot to get the lowest number, milli-volts, you can on the meter.  It is best if you use a 4 digit digital meter.  This gives you the greatest accuracy.

The stock pot is wire wound and the limit of resolution is "one knuckle."  That means one wrap to the next wrap of wire.  They are good pots but don't have the resolution that a 10 turn pot has.  The half way point between knuckles shorts two windings together.   This is why I went to the 10 turn pots for my Paramours in the hum balance circuit. 


BTW, I made RCA shorting plugs from a pair of cheap interconnects.  Just cut off the plugs leaving an inch or so of the wire, Strip the wires and twist together to short signal to ground.  Add shrink tubing if you want to get fancy.

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Reply #4 on: February 06, 2015, 05:48:42 AM
  If your meter doesn't go low enough you won't get a reading at all. [/font][/size][/color]
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   So adding a jumper wire means connecting red/black together?

    I think here's my problem. Range is 400mv-400v. What a waste of $65. 10 years ago I would have took it out in the shop and squeezed it in a vice.
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Reply #6 on: February 06, 2015, 06:27:47 AM
That means the lowest range is a 400mV scale. It can read mV with a resolution of 0.1mV. It should be able to read this just fine. My meter at home has the same range, and I have done this measurement with it.

To make sure you are setup correctly, download a 60Hz tone to your phone or computer. Plug your device into one of your inputs and see if you are getting output. Have you used the amp in your system? It might be that you can't make this measurement because of an error on your wiring rather than a problem with your meter. Getting signal out is more important than maximizing hum performance...

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Reply #7 on: February 06, 2015, 06:42:28 AM
  Thank's for the reply. Been using the amp for a while. Just wanted to do this test for shitz & giggles. Been doing it by ear.



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Reply #8 on: February 06, 2015, 06:53:27 AM
  Still nothing.



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Reply #9 on: February 06, 2015, 08:14:05 AM
My old Paramours are down at 1mV each with the inputs shorted and the hum pot tuned in as best as I can.



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Reply #10 on: February 06, 2015, 09:15:02 AM
mm shows nothing. The amps darn near silent with an ear up to the speaker, tuned by ear.



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Reply #11 on: February 06, 2015, 09:31:07 AM
It just occurred to me that if you have the amp wired for 4 Ohms, you may be able to get the noise down below 1mV. 

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Reply #12 on: February 06, 2015, 02:09:04 PM
   I have the adjustable ohm setting feature and it is set @ 4 Ohms.  Still not showing anything after switching to 8. Maybe I have an extremely quiet unit.
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Reply #14 on: February 12, 2015, 11:51:14 AM
Is that with the hum pot adjusted to minimize the voltage reading? (You should be able to get it lower than that on the 4 or 8 Ohm taps)

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