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Title: Terminal 1 measures high in voltage test [resolved]
Post by: Universe Man on August 14, 2021, 06:01:29 PM
I measured terminal 1 as instructed and got a value of ~125v. Any suggestions? Passes resistance test and both LEDs and tubes turn on.

I’ll add that terminal 2 measures in the acceptable range.
Title: Re: Terminal 1 measures high in voltage test
Post by: Paul Birkeland on August 15, 2021, 05:37:31 AM
Can you post some build photos?  What are the voltages on terminals 1-10?  You can't have both terminal 7 and 9 have acceptable voltages with 125V on terminal 1.
Title: Re: Terminal 1 measures high in voltage test
Post by: Universe Man on August 15, 2021, 06:50:23 AM
1 120
2 160
3 0
4 161
5 118
6 0
7 128
8 0
9 126
10 0
Title: Re: Terminal 1 measures high in voltage test
Post by: Universe Man on August 15, 2021, 09:12:04 AM
Can you post some build photos?  What are the voltages on terminals 1-10?  You can't have both terminal 7 and 9 have acceptable voltages with 125V on terminal 1.
I checked over all the joints a couple times and they all seemed okay. Unless there is something I’m just missing repeatedly, which there might likely be, I’m not sure what could be wrong.
Title: Re: Terminal 1 measures high in voltage test
Post by: Doc B. on August 15, 2021, 09:41:24 AM
Posting photos may help.
Title: Re: Terminal 1 measures high in voltage test
Post by: Universe Man on August 15, 2021, 09:43:24 AM
Posting photos may help.
I put a couple in a reply above
Title: Re: Terminal 1 measures high in voltage test
Post by: Universe Man on August 15, 2021, 10:24:39 AM
Posting photos may help.
Do you think more angles are needed?
Title: Re: Terminal 1 measures high in voltage test
Post by: Paul Birkeland on August 15, 2021, 12:46:04 PM
If you pull the 6080 and run the amp with just the 12AU7, what voltage do you get at terminal 1?

Also, can you carefully measure the DC voltage at A3?
Title: Re: Terminal 1 measures high in voltage test
Post by: Universe Man on August 15, 2021, 02:56:04 PM
If you pull the 6080 and run the amp with just the 12AU7, what voltage do you get at terminal 1?

Also, can you carefully measure the DC voltage at A3?
1 is 152 without the tube

A3 is 2v
Title: Re: Terminal 1 measures high in voltage test
Post by: Paul Birkeland on August 16, 2021, 07:11:10 AM
Looking back over this with fresh eyes, your voltages on 1 and 5 are too high.  This would have me more suspicious that you have a bad solder joint on the green twisted pair of wires running between the octal socket and the 9 pin socket, and you aren't getting the 12AU7 all the way hot because of that. 

Title: Re: Terminal 1 measures high in voltage test
Post by: Universe Man on August 16, 2021, 12:44:01 PM
Looking back over this with fresh eyes, your voltages on 1 and 5 are too high.  This would have me more suspicious that you have a bad solder joint on the green twisted pair of wires running between the octal socket and the 9 pin socket, and you aren't getting the 12AU7 all the way hot because of that.
I touched up those joints but t1 still goes up then settles around 122
Title: Re: Terminal 1 measures high in voltage test
Post by: Paul Birkeland on August 16, 2021, 01:04:06 PM
Is the 12AU7 glowing up top?
Title: Re: Terminal 1 measures high in voltage test
Post by: Universe Man on August 16, 2021, 01:06:04 PM
Is the 12AU7 glowing up top?
Yes
Title: Re: Terminal 1 measures high in voltage test
Post by: Paul Birkeland on August 16, 2021, 01:11:28 PM
Can you double check that you didn't get a 12AT7 by mistake?

Something just isn't adding up here...
Title: Re: Terminal 1 measures high in voltage test
Post by: Universe Man on August 16, 2021, 01:16:46 PM
Can you double check that you didn't get a 12AT7 by mistake?

Something just isn't adding up here...
Box says 12au7, tube text is worn down a bit and harder to interpret. Might look like it says At or something? What do you think?
Title: Re: Terminal 1 measures high in voltage test
Post by: Paul Birkeland on August 16, 2021, 01:24:15 PM
Can you see any printing on the tube?  I think you may have accidentally gotten a 12AT7.
Title: Re: Terminal 1 measures high in voltage test
Post by: Universe Man on August 16, 2021, 02:32:28 PM
Can you see any printing on the tube?  I think you may have accidentally gotten a 12AT7.
I can make out a 6679, online it says that’s a 12at7. Problem solved(ish)! I guess the question now is what to do about it…

Regardless of if I’m getting a replacement 12au7, is it safe now to finally use with my hd6xx? I see that it’s higher output, but the headphones are fairly high impedance.
Title: Re: Terminal 1 measures high in voltage test
Post by: Universe Man on August 16, 2021, 02:56:49 PM
Can you see any printing on the tube?  I think you may have accidentally gotten a 12AT7.
Also, do the voltage readings seem good considering it’s a 12at7?
Title: Re: Terminal 1 measures high in voltage test
Post by: Paul Birkeland on August 16, 2021, 06:23:04 PM
You definitely can't use a 12AT7 in the amp.  You can contact replacementparts(at)bottlehead(dot)com to let them know you got a 12AT7 by mistake.  Including a link to this thread is a nice idea, along with your name and mailing address. 

The voltages at terminals 1 and 5 would be about what I would expect for a 12AT7. 
Title: Re: Terminal 1 measures high in voltage test
Post by: Universe Man on August 16, 2021, 06:40:58 PM
You definitely can't use a 12AT7 in the amp.  You can contact replacementparts(at)bottlehead(dot)com to let them know you got a 12AT7 by mistake.  Including a link to this thread is a nice idea, along with your name and mailing address. 

The voltages at terminals 1 and 5 would be about what I would expect for a 12AT7.
Ok, I will take care of that.
Thank you for helping.