Screwed up my Crack upgrade

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Offline Paul Birkeland

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Reply #60 on: May 04, 2019, 02:16:12 PM
I would be looking for a broken wire.  1L is also not well soldered, but that won't cause the issue you're having.

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Reply #61 on: May 04, 2019, 03:50:41 PM
I appreciate your knowledge in troubleshooting my build but I keep thinking that this amp was fully operational for almost a year prior to my trying the speedball upgrade. It wasn't until my hand slipped and shorted that the LED's went out. Is it possible that the 250 V capacitors would be the culprit? That was where the zap and spark occurred when my probe slipped. What wires would I have to replace? Are we talking about rebuilding the entire amp?



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Reply #62 on: May 05, 2019, 04:54:02 AM
I appreciate your knowledge in troubleshooting my build but I keep thinking that this amp was fully operational for almost a year prior to my trying the speedball upgrade. It wasn't until my hand slipped and shorted that the LED's went out. Is it possible that the 250 V capacitors would be the culprit?
No, there's absolutely no possibility of this.  A blown cap will short, and a shorted cap will blow its insides out all over the place immediately.  This will also drag your high voltage rail way, way down, and yours is still just fine.


What wires would I have to replace? Are we talking about rebuilding the entire amp?
What I would suggest is getting a wooden chopstick and poking around the 9 pin socket and the small Speedball board with the amp on.  You may find a spot where you can tap with your chopstick and suddenly the LED on the socket that's out lights up, and this can be used to direct your efforts.

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Reply #63 on: May 06, 2019, 01:40:28 AM
I removed all the wires from small board and replaced them with fresh wires left over from the build. Voltages at small board remained exactly the same. One note, I used the tip of a number 2 pencil and shorted A3 to A4 with the lead and this caused the LED at A3 to be lit. This had no effect on the LED's on right side of small board.



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Reply #64 on: May 06, 2019, 01:57:39 AM
I replaced the existing  12AU7 equivalent tube with a new 12AX7. I had no other  12AU7 laying around. Only the one LED lit at the socket base and none at all on the small board. Upon restoring the provided tube the two Left LED's came back on but right two remain out.



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Reply #65 on: May 06, 2019, 02:23:21 AM
The Crack is not designed for a 12AX7. It's not a replacement for a 12AU7.
See the tube rolling thread for suitable alternatives.
Since your Crack is malfunctioning, i'd only use it with a good 12AU7/ECC82 for now.



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Reply #66 on: May 06, 2019, 03:37:54 AM
Thanks for the reply. As I was instructed to probe around with a chop stick on my last post from Paul I took a stab at trying a different tube. Unfortunately not having much success.



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Reply #67 on: May 06, 2019, 03:54:16 AM
I'd put the 12AU7 back in and poke around some more with the chopstick like PB said.

Good luck with the trouble shooting.



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Reply #68 on: May 06, 2019, 04:14:20 AM
You don't have a bad tube.  A bad tube would leave very high voltage at OB if it had no emission and would blow up the LED if it was shorted.

Another likely course of action would be to put the 22.1K resistors back in and remove the small PC board, then continue debugging the circuit.
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Reply #69 on: May 06, 2019, 06:08:58 AM
Okay, so after making makeshift extension wires in order to reinstall the 3K resistors and the 22.1K resistors I got them back in and both LED's on the 9 pin socket are lit.






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Reply #70 on: May 06, 2019, 06:12:35 AM
I would grab the chopstick again and poke around to see if you can disturb any connection to make the socket LED go out.

I looked over your board work again and everything looks great, so it's difficult to imagine how you're getting no voltage out of OB. 

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Reply #71 on: May 06, 2019, 06:58:47 AM
Just checked all voltage and these are my readings.

1. 74.4
2. 170.7
3. 0
4. 170.3
5. 78.1
6. 0
7. 102.9
8. 0
9. 104.2
10. 0



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Reply #72 on: May 06, 2019, 10:46:27 AM
Faulty board?
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Reply #73 on: May 06, 2019, 11:33:45 AM
Though the solder joints on the board look good, it's completely possible that there is one that isn't making good contact. 

A faulty board is usually the result of a shorted transistor, and a shorted transistor will make IB and OB roughly the same voltage.

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Reply #74 on: May 06, 2019, 01:49:31 PM
Just a shot in the dark, but maybe resolder the legs of the transistor on the OB side. The circled leg looks a bit iffy in the photo (but could be perfectly fine).  I'd try soldering it from the top, tinning and putting the tip on one side of the leg/trace-hole and applying solder to the other side.  Might be worth a try