Large PCB voltage wrong and LED not lighting up

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on: May 17, 2019, 10:18:59 PM
Hi all,
My crack has been functioning fine before the attempted upgrade.

All resistance tests passed - Large PCB tests came back as over limit. LEDs on the small PCB and the tube connector below it are all good and glowing, but those on the large PCB aren't lighting up at all and my DC voltage measurements are all wrong too.
I'm in Australia, so mains power is approx. 220V
OB - 207V
G - 223
B+ - 95.5
OA - started near 178 and slowly ticked down to 150V

I'm pretty sure that there was no faulty soldering for the Large PCB.

Help?

Jed

Melbourne, Australia


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Reply #1 on: May 17, 2019, 10:21:33 PM
Also I have checked and the LEDs and the transistors are orientated correctly

Jed

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Reply #2 on: May 17, 2019, 10:44:19 PM
Picture attached

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Reply #3 on: May 18, 2019, 07:01:07 AM
G - 223
G is the ground connection, are you sure you have this connection wired to terminal 3?  If you do, then you almost certainly have a faulty solder joint on a ground wire in the original build (the black wires that go from the RCA jacks to the volume pot, to terminal 3, to the headphone jack, then back up through the power supply built above the power transformer)

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Reply #4 on: May 18, 2019, 06:18:51 PM
Thanks Paul, I had mixed up which terminal was which. I have fixed that (as well as the red wire in T4 going to B+)
I am now getting the following voltages but still no glowing LEDs

ob 54.5v
g 1mv
b+ 94.3v
oa 180v

Jed

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Reply #5 on: May 18, 2019, 06:51:07 PM
ob 54.5v
g 1mv
b+ 94.3v
oa 180v

It shouldn't be possible for an output to be above the input.  Are you positive that the small board voltages are still good?

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Reply #6 on: May 19, 2019, 12:13:09 AM
small pcb measurements

OA 53.5V
IA 91.5V
B-A/B 1mV
IB 90.85V
OB 72.85V

 From what I can tell, OA, B-A/B and OB are all ok (OA's difference is minor, but it might be wrong) but I am greatly under voltage in IA and IB.

Jed

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Reply #7 on: May 19, 2019, 05:37:57 AM
Can you check that the red wire for B+ of the large board is connected to the proper terminal?

53V on OA is what I would expect if you had a backwards PN2907 on the A side of your small C4S board, but that isn't the case from your photos. 

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Reply #8 on: May 19, 2019, 11:04:06 AM
B+ is connected to T4 u

Jed

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Reply #9 on: May 20, 2019, 02:25:22 AM
I have given the small PCB wiring a look over and it all seems right to me. White lead from 1u to OA, red lead from 2u toIA, black lead from 3u to B-A/B, red lead from 4u to IA, and white lead from 5u to OB.

Large PCB has white lead rom 7u to OB, white lead from 9u to OA, black lead from 3u to G and red lead from 4u to B+. Does it matter which of the two holes on each of the PCB parts is used?

Jed

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Reply #10 on: May 20, 2019, 04:32:11 AM
Can you pull the 6080 and run the amp with just the 12AU7, then report the small board voltages under these conditions?

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Reply #11 on: May 21, 2019, 10:34:39 PM
Small PCB without the 6080 but with the 12AU7 as directed:
OA 73v
IA 221v
B-A/B 0.1mv
IB 221v
OB 74.3v
« Last Edit: May 21, 2019, 10:37:32 PM by jlucky »

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Reply #12 on: May 22, 2019, 03:28:31 AM
I would recommend double checking the installation of your TIP50 transistors, and more specifically that the hardware is installed in the exact manner described in the manual.  The symptoms you're describing are consistent with a TIP50 metal tab that's making metal on metal contact with a heatsink, and this will cause damage to your Crack if it's run for very long.

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Reply #13 on: May 22, 2019, 01:05:03 PM
Hi Paul,
I've had a look at the TIP50 transistor installation. I'm confident it's all as per the manual. There is no metal on metal between the transistor and the heat sink. The only metal on metal is the flat washer on the heat sink, but that is as per instructions. The shoulder washer on the screws is also the correct orientation.

Jed

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Reply #14 on: May 22, 2019, 01:07:27 PM
Photos on the TIP50

Jed

Melbourne, Australia